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Post by WahineFan44 on Dec 28, 2018 14:36:02 GMT -5
Glass was phenomenal during the Rio quad. But she is not born that way. She has also gone through many ups and downs, struggles and defeats. USAV indeed does not have a terminator like Zhu, Boskovic, or Egnou, but IMH Glass was that go-to player for USA last quad. It's just that she was not a hitter. Lloyd is a great setter, especially under the European system, but after a couple years as the starting setter in the USAWNT, she could not bring what Glass can do to this team. As I already said, none of the current setters is "Glass" right now. But who can we invest, through the same procedure that Glass had gone through, to be the one? Hope Karch has his answer. Why didn't glass go to London? Was she injured?
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Post by ericleo on Dec 28, 2018 14:40:03 GMT -5
Well, I never worry about the middles, this is a position that are packed with great talents. Seeing Ogbogu and Washington making progress in Poland and Italy is a great pleasure.
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Post by ericleo on Dec 28, 2018 14:43:26 GMT -5
Glass was phenomenal during the Rio quad. But she is not born that way. She has also gone through many ups and downs, struggles and defeats. USAV indeed does not have a terminator like Zhu, Boskovic, or Egnou, but IMH Glass was that go-to player for USA last quad. It's just that she was not a hitter. Lloyd is a great setter, especially under the European system, but after a couple years as the starting setter in the USAWNT, she could not bring what Glass can do to this team. As I already said, none of the current setters is "Glass" right now. But who can we invest, through the same procedure that Glass had gone through, to be the one? Hope Karch has his answer. Why didn't glass go to London? Was she injured? No, she just got cut by Hugh. During the 2012 WGP final, she and Thompson took turns to start. They were fighting for a back-up position for Berg. In the end Hugh thought Thompson was the better option i guess. Though I don't think Thompson was any significantly better than her.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 14:48:35 GMT -5
Why didn't glass go to London? Was she injured? No, she just got cut by Hugh. During the 2012 WGP final, she and Thompson took turns to start. Glass started and finished every match of the 2012 WGP Final Round except the Thailand match. Hugh took Thompson to London because Thompson was able to run the double-sub on Hugh's hyper-specialized Olympic roster. She made an impact in that role and Glass couldn't ever find her rhythm coming in cold off the bench.
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Post by Reach on Dec 28, 2018 15:03:34 GMT -5
Taking Thompson was a mistake. I’m not sure Hugh would do that again.
USA is not going to win with Lloyd or Hancock. Hopefully the worst season in well over 10 years is motivation enough for Karch to try some new things in 2019.
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Post by Pipe Attack on Dec 28, 2018 19:52:16 GMT -5
London - Thompson over Glass. This was the quad where US had THE MOST developed talent and really should have taken gold. All is in hindsight but yes, according to our hypotheses, Hugh took Thompson as she was the better double sub (for his system). He wasn’t looking at it in the sense, if my starting setter goes down, who could run this team ... as Glass had many starting duties in this quad.
As for any of our current setters, Lloyd, Hancock, etc. They may always struggle since this is a very specialized offense. Feel this offense also has made Hill more of a tempo hitter when she necessarily wasn’t extremely one before. But look, even someone like Polish setter Wolosz (who ppl feel could run the US offense masterfully had her moments where she was off). American setters (unless they play like that in college) may struggle - as ppl like Lloyd and Hancock were phenomenal players (and weren’t they both national POYs?). Maybe that’s why Poulter may have been trying to push the offense (on those matches where I watched her in the playoffs). That’s why Kreklow was also successful. Unfortunately, I feel Carlini will fall in the same boat. Only maybe viable setters then may be SSS and that Oregon setter. I don’t know.
Furthermore setters like Lloyd but moreso Carlini and Poulter are big physical setters. Then you could have ppl potentially like Plummer, Rettke, Butler. So that’s a large, physical team. I don’t think you would necessarily have to push pace to be successful. Can you imagine someone like Zhu Ting, Boskovic and Egonu having to play at a fast pace all the time?
But come to think of it, USA never really ever had that prime terminator, so we don’t necessarily need that once in a generation type player to be successful.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 28, 2018 20:10:53 GMT -5
London - Thompson over Glass. This was the quad where US had THE MOST developed talent and really should have taken gold. All is in hindsight but yes, according to our hypotheses, Hugh took Thompson as she was the better double sub (for his system). He wasn’t looking at it in the sense, if my starting setter goes down, who could run this team ... as Glass had many starting duties in this quad. As for any of our current setters, Lloyd, Hancock, etc. They may always struggle since this is a very specialized offense. Feel this offense also has made Hill more of a tempo hitter when she necessarily wasn’t extremely one before. But look, even someone like Polish setter Wolosz (who ppl feel could run the US offense masterfully had her moments where she was off). American setters (unless they play like that in college) may struggle - as ppl like Lloyd and Hancock were phenomenal players (and weren’t they both national POYs?). Maybe that’s why Poulter may have been trying to push the offense (on those matches where I watched her in the playoffs). That’s why Kreklow was also successful. Unfortunately, I feel Carlini will fall in the same boat. Only maybe viable setters then may be SSS and that Oregon setter. I don’t know. Furthermore setters like Lloyd but moreso Carlini and Poulter are big physical setters. Then you could have ppl potentially like Plummer, Rettke, Butler. So that’s a large, physical team. I don’t think you would necessarily have to push pace to be successful. Can you imagine someone like Zhu Ting, Boskovic and Egonu having to play at a fast pace all the time? But come to think of it, USA never really ever had that prime terminator, so we don’t necessarily need that once in a generation type player to be successful. I think the one thing we are lacking is the prime terminator--that once in a generation type player. I was never a fan of Destinee Hooker the person, but as an attacker, she was on a different level.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Dec 28, 2018 20:13:20 GMT -5
London - Thompson over Glass. This was the quad where US had THE MOST developed talent and really should have taken gold. All is in hindsight but yes, according to our hypotheses, Hugh took Thompson as she was the better double sub (for his system). He wasn’t looking at it in the sense, if my starting setter goes down, who could run this team ... as Glass had many starting duties in this quad. As for any of our current setters, Lloyd, Hancock, etc. They may always struggle since this is a very specialized offense. Feel this offense also has made Hill more of a tempo hitter when she necessarily wasn’t extremely one before. But look, even someone like Polish setter Wolosz (who ppl feel could run the US offense masterfully had her moments where she was off). American setters (unless they play like that in college) may struggle - as ppl like Lloyd and Hancock were phenomenal players (and weren’t they both national POYs?). Maybe that’s why Poulter may have been trying to push the offense (on those matches where I watched her in the playoffs). That’s why Kreklow was also successful. Unfortunately, I feel Carlini will fall in the same boat. Only maybe viable setters then may be SSS and that Oregon setter. I don’t know. Furthermore setters like Lloyd but moreso Carlini and Poulter are big physical setters. Then you could have ppl potentially like Plummer, Rettke, Butler. So that’s a large, physical team. I don’t think you would necessarily have to push pace to be successful. Can you imagine someone like Zhu Ting, Boskovic and Egonu having to play at a fast pace all the time? But come to think of it, USA never really ever had that prime terminator, so we don’t necessarily need that once in a generation type player to be successful. I think the one thing we are lacking is the prime terminator--that once in a generation type player. I was never a fan of Destinee Hooker the person, but as an attacker, she was on a different level. Well, just like with Phipps, we missed the window on that now. Good job, USAV!
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Post by ToddyJ on Dec 29, 2018 0:36:23 GMT -5
Hopefully the worst season in well over 10 years is motivation enough for Karch to try some new things in 2019. Definitely their worst finish at a major event since 2008. I would definitely say the recipe to win gold medals is there but will Karch cultivate it into reality? If Lowe were playing overseas right now and if he can get a consistent setter the realm of possibilities definitely looks more optimistic.
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Post by DaDawgFather on Dec 29, 2018 1:38:32 GMT -5
Hopefully the worst season in well over 10 years is motivation enough for Karch to try some new things in 2019. Definitely their worst finish at a major event since 2008. I would definitely say the recipe to win gold medals is there but will Karch cultivate it into reality? If Lowe were playing overseas right now and if he can get a consistent setter the realm of possibilities definitely looks more optimistic. Well we're going to be half way there. Karsta is going to be playing overseas. In fact she starts in the Italian leagues next week. I agree we need to get a little more out of our setters in the next 18 months. With Luka and Erin coaching now, hopefully one of them will be given the task of training setters. I still contend that our defense isn't up to par. I think that's a bigger weakness than our offense. The backrow doesn't dig very well especially our setters and opposites and a couple of blocking schemes leave too many one on one situations.
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Post by Victory At Hand on Dec 29, 2018 6:37:25 GMT -5
USA is not going to win with Lloyd or Hancock. Hopefully the worst season in well over 10 years is motivation enough for Karch to try some new things in 2019. I don't think Lloyd or Hancock is the problem, I don't see the U.S. winning GOLD at all with Karch Kiraly at the helm. His system is not working.
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Post by ballervolley on Dec 29, 2018 6:58:09 GMT -5
USA is not going to win with Lloyd or Hancock. Hopefully the worst season in well over 10 years is motivation enough for Karch to try some new things in 2019. I don't think Lloyd or Hancock is the problem, I don't see the U.S. winning GOLD at all with Karch Kiraly at the helm. His system is not working. let's see we need ajanaku, a top notch setter, a more realistic system, an OH2, an absolute terminator and shutdown blocker at opp, an amazing libero, a coach that.... this will probably be the first olympics that karch will not win gold, it's very sad. i have a feeling we are going to finish 4th or 5th.
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Post by Victory At Hand on Dec 29, 2018 7:21:51 GMT -5
I don't think Lloyd or Hancock is the problem, I don't see the U.S. winning GOLD at all with Karch Kiraly at the helm. His system is not working. let's see we need ajanaku, a top notch setter, a more realistic system, an OH2, an absolute terminator and shutdown blocker at opp, an amazing libero, a coach that.... this will probably be the first olympics that karch will not win gold, it's very sad. i have a feeling we are going to finish 4th or 5th. The U.S. Women has never won GOLD at the Olympics...ever!
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Post by ballervolley on Dec 29, 2018 9:53:02 GMT -5
let's see we need ajanaku, a top notch setter, a more realistic system, an OH2, an absolute terminator and shutdown blocker at opp, an amazing libero, a coach that.... this will probably be the first olympics that karch will not win gold, it's very sad. i have a feeling we are going to finish 4th or 5th. The U.S. Women has never won GOLD at the Olympics...ever! but karch has, well he didn't win one last time either so all in all
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 29, 2018 9:56:34 GMT -5
The U.S. Women has never won GOLD at the Olympics...ever! but karch has This wouldn't be the first Olympics without Gold for Karch as you suggested. He coached the team to bronze in Rio.
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