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Post by retiredd1coach on Apr 24, 2019 18:41:29 GMT -5
OK. When were most offers accepted?
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Post by justahick on Apr 24, 2019 19:31:19 GMT -5
OK. When were most offers accepted? The VAST majority of d1 commits come during Junior year - and it isn't even close.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Apr 24, 2019 19:31:50 GMT -5
OK. When were most offers accepted? I’d say sophomore to early junior year, but I’m not 100% positive.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Apr 24, 2019 21:49:10 GMT -5
College coaches did not cause the problem because THERE WAS NO PROBLEM. Who cares if a few 8th graders commit? Misguided parents jumping the gun, over-zealous club directors and a few (very few) greedy college coaches were the "problem." You want to know who really caused the problem? A handful of people with a personal agenda whispering in the SAAC's ear and no one in the room to explain the unintended consequences of their actions. Most of us followed the new calendar anyway. Except a year ago, we could tell a sophomore's coach that we liked them and see if it was mutual. Maybe set up an initial call to get things started. Arrange a camp or an unofficial. Then, offer their Junior year after they are BETTER INFORMED and had gone through the discovery process with multiple colleges. Can you imagine what it's going to be like June 15 for top tier sophomore prospects? Especially the ones still in school? You want to blame someone? Blame the AVCA or the NCAA for shoving regulations down our throats. For assuming that the path to college of a talented student athlete should mimic an ordinary student. I call BS on that. This is so bizarre. You are all pissed off that the ncaa imposed rules dictating the timeline that you want. My kid was contacted in 8th, recruited and offered in 9th and committed in 10th. I didn't want that timeline, it was shoved on us. Every coach we talked to said early recruiting was a problem but that they had to because everyone else was doing it, so I'm not sure what you are smoking. By the time she committed, she was told she was very late for her caliber and she was stressing out that it seemed to her that all of her peers were committed but her. That is what she got by us trying to stall the process by just 6 months. I don't know what world you are living in, but it is not reality. Now everybody gets to start on the same day. The PSA can wait a week if they are finishing up school, and respond to who they want to. It's no longer a stupid game of chicken to see who can contact a girl first and offer first. I can't tell you how much I wish these rules were in effect when my daughter was an 8th grader and how I wish she wasn't contacted until June 15th after her sophomore year. Problems are definitely caused by college coaches pushing for earlier and earlier commitments.
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Post by rvdadvb on May 1, 2019 19:17:49 GMT -5
Rules are now in effect as of today. DD got some last minute touch-base contact with coaches last couple of days. (indirectly, of course)
One thing this is going to do is to fill up the camps for coaches. Not having any interaction prior to June 15 sophomore year is going to drive lots of 8th/9th/10th girls to the camps to get in front of them without being able to know if they are interested or not.
I expect an increase in the numbers of invite-only (wink-wink) camps run by the clubs with a number of coaches "working" the camp.
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Post by volleav on May 1, 2019 20:19:05 GMT -5
There were several 2021/2022 commitments in the last few days, but not as many as I expected.
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Post by Friday on May 1, 2019 21:03:40 GMT -5
Rules are now in effect as of today. DD got some last minute touch-base contact with coaches last couple of days. (indirectly, of course) One thing this is going to do is to fill up the camps for coaches. Not having any interaction prior to June 15 sophomore year is going to drive lots of 8th/9th/10th girls to the camps to get in front of them without being able to know if they are interested or not. I expect an increase in the numbers of invite-only (wink-wink) camps run by the clubs with a number of coaches "working" the camp. Definitely will be more of a push and pressure to do camps. Lots of time and money on behalf of the families will go into this. Camps with "tours of the athletic facilities" so basically now families are just paying for an unofficial visit only difference is they really won't know what schools are really interested in them so it all may be for naught. Coaches will still be watching the courts so the girls will still feel the pressure to perform -even at 15/16.
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Post by volleyparent on May 4, 2019 16:44:26 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me if offers can be made on June 15th? I have heard conflicting info.
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Post by rvdadvb on May 4, 2019 17:07:49 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me if offers can be made on June 15th? I have heard conflicting info. Yes and no for athletes between sophomore and junior year. (2021 this year) Since they modified the rule prior to voting, offers can be made after June 15th. However, there can be no in-person recruiting discussion, thus no IN-PERSON recruiting offers until after August 1st. So the athlete can go to camp, but they can't be offered AT camp. However, the coach can call the athlete at any time on or after June 15 and extend a verbal offer. Basically, yes they can offer after June 15th, but it has to be via phone, email, or other electronic communication.
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Post by money on May 4, 2019 18:17:52 GMT -5
Under new legislation Coaches can no longer write prospects THROUGH recruiting coordinator, HS coach, club coach, club director before June 15 between soph/jr year. (They couldn’t really before the change either according to rules, but it was widely acceptable for messages to be forwarded on even though they were address and written to coach).
Question: If a college coach writes club coach/rec coordinator today asking questions or saying the recruit (8th/fresh/Soph) would be a “perfect fit,” and the recruiting coordinator forwards it on to prospect. Who committed violation? Where is the violation? College coaches CAN write prospect’s coaches.
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Post by volleav on May 4, 2019 18:47:55 GMT -5
Can you still send emails with camp info? Or asking info strictly about camp? Or is any contact prohibited.
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Post by vbfamily on May 4, 2019 19:48:59 GMT -5
Can you still send emails with camp info? Or asking info strictly about camp? Or is any contact prohibited. Coaches/departments can send an email, postcard or letter with camp info directly to an athlete. But it can only be about camp. Also, an initial generic letter (approved by the school’s compliance office) with a questionnaire can also be sent.
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Post by n00b on May 4, 2019 20:47:27 GMT -5
Under new legislation Coaches can no longer write prospects THROUGH recruiting coordinator, HS coach, club coach, club director before June 15 between soph/jr year. (They couldn’t really before the change either according to rules, but it was widely acceptable for messages to be forwarded on even though they were address and written to coach). Question: If a college coach writes club coach/rec coordinator today asking questions or saying the recruit (8th/fresh/Soph) would be a “perfect fit,” and the recruiting coordinator forwards it on to prospect. Who committed violation? Where is the violation? College coaches CAN write prospect’s coaches. Earlier in this thread I posted a link to an NCAA question and answer document about the new rule and and spells those situations out pretty clearly. Yes, the coach can ask a club coach for an evaluation of a prospect. Saying the recruit would be a perfect fit or otherwise indicating where she falls on their recruiting list would be a violation. Club coaches can forward anything they receive. Essentially, the college coach now isn’t allowed to send anything to the club coach that would be helpful to be forwarded on.
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Post by pepperbrooks on May 4, 2019 20:54:04 GMT -5
There were several 2021/2022 commitments in the last few days, but not as many as I expected. I heard some schoo,s made a rash of offers to multiple 8th graders before May 1.
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Post by rvdadvb on May 5, 2019 6:21:42 GMT -5
Can you still send emails with camp info? Or asking info strictly about camp? Or is any contact prohibited. Yes schools can still send camp emails, though I would imagine it must stay pretty generic or could be construed as recruiting discussion. General questions and answers back and forth regarding camps is still allowed. The athletes can still email/text the coaches all they want. In fact, we were told to continue sending updates (video, etc.) even though they could not respond after May 1.
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