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Post by breakoutsports on Mar 9, 2019 18:27:14 GMT -5
So who in their right mind invites a soft verbal on an official visit? Why spend money on someone who has committed somewhere else? Wild guess here: because they've stated that, while they aren't decommitting, they are "opening up their recruiting," and because they are an off-the-charts talent, and you believe your school was their second choice before they "committed," that you now have a great chance to get them to commit to your school. And that would be really good for you and your school. Seems nuts. I wouldn’t want that kid in my program, but it would be tempting if they were the next Lebron
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Post by redbeard2008 on Mar 9, 2019 21:39:07 GMT -5
So who in their right mind invites a soft verbal on an official visit? Why spend money on someone who has committed somewhere else? Usually, they've already taken their official visit to the school they've committed to, but simply continue to take visits. In minor sports, such as volleyball or softball, coach #1 might never know she's flirting with coach #2, unless someone tattles on her. You might spend money on her visit if you think you can change her mind (and she'd improve your roster). Lot's of conversation occurs before a paid visit is proffered.
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Post by breakoutsports on Mar 11, 2019 3:32:28 GMT -5
So who in their right mind invites a soft verbal on an official visit? Why spend money on someone who has committed somewhere else? Usually, they've already taken their official visit to the school they've committed to, but simply continue to take visits. In minor sports, such as volleyball or softball, coach #1 might never know she's flirting with coach #2, unless someone tattles on her. You might spend money on her visit if you think you can change her mind (and she'd improve your roster). Lot's of conversation occurs before a paid visit is proffered. Man, I just don’t like anything about that! Am I just old fashioned??
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Post by redbeard2008 on Mar 11, 2019 19:03:55 GMT -5
Usually, they've already taken their official visit to the school they've committed to, but simply continue to take visits. In minor sports, such as volleyball or softball, coach #1 might never know she's flirting with coach #2, unless someone tattles on her. You might spend money on her visit if you think you can change her mind (and she'd improve your roster). Lot's of conversation occurs before a paid visit is proffered. Man, I just don’t like anything about that! Am I just old fashioned?? It's been common in football and men's basketball for a long time. Secure the one bird in the hand, then go hunting for more in the bush.
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Post by n00b on Mar 11, 2019 20:14:27 GMT -5
Man, I just don’t like anything about that! Am I just old fashioned?? It's been common in football and men's basketball for a long time. Secure the one bird in the hand, then go hunting for more in the bush. The FBI is also arresting basketball coaches for bribery. Not sure we’ll ever see the same thing in volleyball.
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Post by trainermch on Mar 12, 2019 7:35:30 GMT -5
It's been common in football and men's basketball for a long time. Secure the one bird in the hand, then go hunting for more in the bush. The FBI is also arresting basketball coaches for bribery. Not sure we’ll ever see the same thing in volleyball. You have tapped into the entire scheme here...the suitcases of cash are not fairytales. We know firsthand of kids who have been on the receiving end. It is just sickening. But the whole reasoning behind the visits after a commit is to see what someone else might give you to sway your decision. And who will report that you took their cash and didn't change your commitment? No one. So it's a shopping trip for bags of money. It is unreal what goes on.
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Post by volleav on Mar 15, 2019 23:22:52 GMT -5
What’s the exact date of this vote and will it take affect immediately or a day or two later?
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Post by rvdadvb on Mar 16, 2019 7:17:11 GMT -5
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Post by rvdadvb on Mar 16, 2019 7:43:32 GMT -5
Many have been discussing that contact could still be made through the coaches. If you look back in this thread to the bottom of page 2, it links an interpretation from the softball/lacrosse rule that though it wasn't specifically stated in the legislation, an interpretations ruling stated that contact CANNOT come through a hs or club coach prior the date of first contact (June 15). I would assume that interpretation would apply to this change as well since it is an implementation of the exact same rule, only applied across all sports except basketball and football.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Mar 16, 2019 12:37:23 GMT -5
Many have been discussing that contact could still be made through the coaches. If you look back in this thread to the bottom of page 2, it links an interpretation from the softball/lacrosse rule that though it wasn't specifically stated in the legislation, an interpretations ruling stated that contact CANNOT come through a hs or club coach prior the date of first contact (June 15). I would assume that interpretation would apply to this change as well since it is an implementation of the exact same rule, only applied across all sports except basketball and football. Here is where the "leakage" will occur: In other words, there is no limit on the information that can be shared through a third party, short of an outright "offer" or "commit", as long as there is no request to pass the info along. Coach Z to third party: "We've got her on the top of our list." Suzie Q to third party: "Buckwheat State is my dream school." The incentive for a third party, especially if a club coach or recruiting coordinator, will be to pass along everything, whether asked to or not.
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Post by breakoutsports on Mar 16, 2019 12:37:26 GMT -5
Many have been discussing that contact could still be made through the coaches. If you look back in this thread to the bottom of page 2, it links an interpretation from the softball/lacrosse rule that though it wasn't specifically stated in the legislation, an interpretations ruling stated that contact CANNOT come through a hs or club coach prior the date of first contact (June 15). I would assume that interpretation would apply to this change as well since it is an implementation of the exact same rule, only applied across all sports except basketball and football. The current rules also prohibit players from having agents, yet you see recruiting agencies like Sports Recruits (and others) and Kara Hill the “volleyball recruiter”. Regardless of the rules, people will do what they want and probably get away with it in most cases!
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Post by retiredd1coach on Mar 18, 2019 7:32:36 GMT -5
SportsRecruits is a software service that allows kids to create profiles and SPAM coaches and then shows them which coaches opened their email so they can SPAM them some more. Kara Hill charges a fee to help kids in the recruting process. Neither are agents. They don't get a monetary reward if the kid signs (which is illegal). You can debate the usefulness of recruiting services all you want. UA is technically a recruiting service. Some families have more money than time or are confused by the process and want help. Yes, you can do it yourself. You can also rewire a 220V circuit panel yourself. Just watch a YouTube video.
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 18, 2019 8:16:23 GMT -5
Yes, you can do it yourself. You can also rewire a 220V circuit panel yourself. Just watch a YouTube video. No big deal wiring circuits and panels. Everything is color-coded. I put in a hot tub in my back yard and installed the panel near the tub (with the required manual shutoff), then wired it all up. Easy. Figuring out college athletics seems a lot more difficult.
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Post by breakoutsports on Mar 18, 2019 16:57:29 GMT -5
SportsRecruits is a software service that allows kids to create profiles and SPAM coaches and then shows them which coaches opened their email so they can SPAM them some more. Kara Hill charges a fee to help kids in the recruting process. Neither are agents. They don't get a monetary reward if the kid signs (which is illegal). You can debate the usefulness of recruiting services all you want. UA is technically a recruiting service. Some families have more money than time or are confused by the process and want help. Yes, you can do it yourself. You can also rewire a 220V circuit panel yourself. Just watch a YouTube video. I see your point, but these people talk like agents (“hire me or my service and i’ll take care of everything”). UA is definitely one I approve of. Not sure if the others really provide any value (though Kara Hill seems to have a good track record). Anyways, I’m starting to digress from the subject of the thread, so i’ll Stop here
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Post by bic on Mar 21, 2019 11:33:38 GMT -5
To me all that this will do is lead to more stress for both the kids and the coaches. If a kid has to make a decision so coaches can "move forward" in recruiting, these rules will just lead to more kids committing before they REALLY know the coaching staff and how they operate. It will lead to quick commits before coaches move on and pass that offer on to someone else. It will lead to kids rushing into commitment without getting to know the school and coaches to the same extent that they can right now. Not allowing athletes to communicate and talk to the coaches when they are ready, even if that is freshman year right now, just leads to them having to do the same amount of work in recruiting in less time and having to get to know schools and coaching staffs in less time. To me this is a terrible decision. Right now they don't have to make calls to coaches early if they don't want to. Keep it that way. If they aren't interested in recruiting before their junior year, great, don't do it. Don't penalize the kids who want to be proactive and want to get to know coaches better before making decisions. Don't penalize the kids who want to shop around and get the right fit in recruiting. These rule changes in my opinion strictly hurt those who want to actually do their research and get a good fit before commitment.
Coaches aren't going to magically be cool with having commitments later, they are still going to push and drive kids into things or move on to the next kid who will. This won't change that. It will only add more rushed decisions and a more hectic process for both parties involved.
Side note: for all those not in the top 10... Don't you want the big boys to miss on some kids? Don't you want them to get screwed by rushing kids at an early age who don't pan out? Leaving the good kids who develop late to the others? Nebraska, Texas, Penn State, etc will still get kids somehow saying they are "in" before the dates. This hurts the little guys, this hurts the kids, and this hurts the coaches. This process needs to and should take longer than 2 months...
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