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Post by fandad on Feb 7, 2019 11:42:49 GMT -5
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Participants Campbellsville (Ky.) St. Andrews (N.C.) Cumberland (Tenn.) Life (Ga.) Midway (Ky.) Scheduled Matches
February 08, 2019 Life (Ga.) vs Campbellsville (Ky.) 3:00 PM St. Andrews (N.C.) vs Cumberland (Tenn.) 5:00 PM Life (Ga.) vs Midway (Ky.) 7:00 PM
February 09, 2019 St. Andrews (N.C.) vs Campbellsville (Ky.) 10:00 AM Life (Ga.) vs Cumberland (Tenn.) 11:00 AM St. Andrews (N.C.) vs Midway (Ky.) 2:00 PM
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Post by Miva2017 on Feb 7, 2019 14:46:01 GMT -5
How good can Aquinas be? And do they have a match on their schedule besides Lourdes that will show us? They will be ranked 1,2 or 3 in the country with Mobap & Lourdes. Brilliant move by the university to hire a coach from SoCal who has a pipeline to 7 Cali players on the roster....
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Feb 7, 2019 15:12:35 GMT -5
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Post by digs4days on Feb 7, 2019 15:12:35 GMT -5
How good can Aquinas be? And do they have a match on their schedule besides Lourdes that will show us? They will be ranked 1,2 or 3 in the country with Mobap & Lourdes. Brilliant move by the university to hire a coach from SoCal who has a pipeline to 7 Cali players on the roster.... Bold statement, but from what I have seen I would not be surprised. You are saying MoBap and Lourdes. Have you seen them both to compare?
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Post by fandad on Feb 7, 2019 16:21:03 GMT -5
I have not seen Lourdes play, but I've seen both MoBap and Aquinas. If Aquinas were to play MoBap, I would predict MoBap to win. They seem like the more complete team and their group of attackers is a step above (Cajic, Rodrigues, Hibbler, and Kastrotovic). Of course, they are not scheduled to play each other unless it's in the national championship tourney. That could happen, though. I'm looking forward to seeing how Aquinas fares against Lourdes. That will tell us a lot about Aquinas (and Lourdes).
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Feb 7, 2019 16:41:02 GMT -5
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Post by digs4days on Feb 7, 2019 16:41:02 GMT -5
I have not seen Lourdes play, but I've seen both MoBap and Aquinas. If Aquinas were to play MoBap, I would predict MoBap to win. They seem like the more complete team and their group of attackers is a step above (Cajic, Rodrigues, Hibbler, and Kastrotovic). Of course, they are not scheduled to play each other unless it's in the national championship tourney. That could happen, though. I'm looking forward to seeing how Aquinas fares against Lourdes. That will tell us a lot about Aquinas (and Lourdes). Yea I have seen Aquinas and MoBap as well and I would lean towards agreeing with you that MoBap would likely win, however from what I have seen I think it would be a game that could have the potential to go either way. Idk if I agree about the Lourdes v Aquinas being the sole deciding factor though. If one Aquinas wins does that mean that Lourdes isn't good? If Lourdes wins does that mean Aquinas isn't good? I want to physically see them all play, I much prefer the eye test vs results of a match. From what I have seen from Aquinas they are unbelievably good for a first year program and I think better than any other team I have seen other than maybe MoBap but I still think that would be a close race. Aquinas also plays Mt. Mercy during this ranking period where Mt Mercy beat GVU at Grandview. I am interested to see how they fare in that match even more so than lourdes at the moment.
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Post by fandad on Feb 7, 2019 18:16:52 GMT -5
I have not seen Lourdes play, but I've seen both MoBap and Aquinas. If Aquinas were to play MoBap, I would predict MoBap to win. They seem like the more complete team and their group of attackers is a step above (Cajic, Rodrigues, Hibbler, and Kastrotovic). Of course, they are not scheduled to play each other unless it's in the national championship tourney. That could happen, though. I'm looking forward to seeing how Aquinas fares against Lourdes. That will tell us a lot about Aquinas (and Lourdes). Yea I have seen Aquinas and MoBap as well and I would lean towards agreeing with you that MoBap would likely win, however from what I have seen I think it would be a game that could have the potential to go either way. Idk if I agree about the Lourdes v Aquinas being the sole deciding factor though. If one Aquinas wins does that mean that Lourdes isn't good? If Lourdes wins does that mean Aquinas isn't good? I want to physically see them all play, I much prefer the eye test vs results of a match. From what I have seen from Aquinas they are unbelievably good for a first year program and I think better than any other team I have seen other than maybe MoBap but I still think that would be a close race. Aquinas also plays Mt. Mercy during this ranking period where Mt Mercy beat GVU at Grandview. I am interested to see how they fare in that match even more so than lourdes at the moment. Didn't mean to imply that the Aquinas/Lourdes match will tell us everything about both teams. I'm just interested in how they do against each other as another data point. I hope I am able to stream their match coming up so that I see how Lourdes is, as well as how they compare to Aquinas. I agree about Aquinas. I think their coach has done a masterful recruiting job. I have to believe he was able to offer those CA kids something extra to get them to come out to Michigan. Maybe not. Maybe the opportunity to all play together and build something from scratch was enough. Focusing on the CA Juco system is a really good way to build a team quickly though. A blueprint for other coaches to at least try to emulate.
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Feb 7, 2019 21:14:50 GMT -5
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Post by digs4days on Feb 7, 2019 21:14:50 GMT -5
So I think I at least have an idea of where Lourdes stands. Didn't realize that Lourdes had played Mckendree and lost in 4 this past weekend. I just watched Mckendree take it to #11 Ball State at Ball State in a 3-0 sweep. I mean common opponent doesn't say it all but a common opponent within less than a week at least gives me some perspective I hadn't had yet!
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Post by Miva2017 on Feb 7, 2019 22:25:06 GMT -5
Lourdes also beat quincy 3-1... in the same tourney they lost 1-3 to both mckendree and lindenwood. Solid setter with 3 solid hitters. Aquinas has more polished players that have length and better passing than most. If opponents equal their attacks, they lose. mobap is almost the same description as the afformentioned so ill stick with my final 3 come tourney time. Who will 4th be?..gvu has chapmen and lost to improved mount mercy..
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Post by fandad on Feb 8, 2019 9:46:03 GMT -5
Missouri Valley Viking Invitational Participants Culver-Stockton (Mo.) Graceland (Iowa) Missouri Valley Ottawa (Kan.) Park (Mo.) Scheduled MatchesFebruary 08, 2019 Missouri Valley vs Graceland (Iowa) 1:00 PM Culver-Stockton (Mo.) vs Park (Mo.) 3:00 PM Missouri Valley vs Park (Mo.) 5:00 PM Ottawa (Kan.) vs Culver-Stockton (Mo.) 7:00 PM February 09, 2019 Graceland (Iowa) vs Park (Mo.) 11:00 AM Graceland (Iowa) vs Ottawa (Kan.) 1:00 PM Missouri Valley vs Ottawa (Kan.) 3:00 PM It appears this tournament has been cancelled.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 1:01:42 GMT -5
Yea I have seen Aquinas and MoBap as well and I would lean towards agreeing with you that MoBap would likely win, however from what I have seen I think it would be a game that could have the potential to go either way. Idk if I agree about the Lourdes v Aquinas being the sole deciding factor though. If one Aquinas wins does that mean that Lourdes isn't good? If Lourdes wins does that mean Aquinas isn't good? I want to physically see them all play, I much prefer the eye test vs results of a match. From what I have seen from Aquinas they are unbelievably good for a first year program and I think better than any other team I have seen other than maybe MoBap but I still think that would be a close race. Aquinas also plays Mt. Mercy during this ranking period where Mt Mercy beat GVU at Grandview. I am interested to see how they fare in that match even more so than lourdes at the moment. I agree about Aquinas. I think their coach has done a masterful recruiting job. I have to believe he was able to offer those CA kids something extra to get them to come out to Michigan. Maybe not. Maybe the opportunity to all play together and build something from scratch was enough. Focusing on the CA Juco system is a really good way to build a team quickly though. A blueprint for other coaches to at least try to emulate. Ha, you might be right! Have you seen the weather that's buffeted west Michigan over the last couple weeks?? But seriously, Aquinas' coach is actually from California. Played for UC Santa Cruz and started at MB on their national runner-up team from 2010, started a boy's club there, and had a pretty successful stint coaching juco there too, so he's pretty familiar with the recruiting scene. He was obviously able to connect with those kids in a really genuine way. The team ranks in the top five of every major statistical category nationally, except SA/set (#9). It's a really impressive debut. 13-0 so far, and they've only lost one set in the last 11 matches.
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Feb 9, 2019 19:48:21 GMT -5
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Post by digs4days on Feb 9, 2019 19:48:21 GMT -5
I agree about Aquinas. I think their coach has done a masterful recruiting job. I have to believe he was able to offer those CA kids something extra to get them to come out to Michigan. Maybe not. Maybe the opportunity to all play together and build something from scratch was enough. Focusing on the CA Juco system is a really good way to build a team quickly though. A blueprint for other coaches to at least try to emulate. Ha, you might be right! Have you seen the weather that's buffeted west Michigan over the last couple weeks?? But seriously, Aquinas' coach is actually from California. Played for UC Santa Cruz and started at MB on their national runner-up team from 2010, started a boy's club there, and had a pretty successful stint coaching juco there too, so he's pretty familiar with the recruiting scene. He was obviously able to connect with those kids in a really genuine way. The team ranks in the top five of every major statistical category nationally, except SA/set (#9). It's a really impressive debut. 13-0 so far, and they've only lost one set in the last 11 matches. I wouldn't necesarily make the statistical argument for Aquinas. I have seen them a couple times on film and I will attest that they are a real deal team. However, they have played an exceptionally weak schedule so of course their statistics will be inflated. I'm not knocking on them at all but there is definitely some perspective for the statistical argument. However even with a "weaker" schedule they are taking care of business consistently and that cannot be said about some of the other "top" teams at the moment.
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Feb 10, 2019 12:18:03 GMT -5
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Post by kingofthebeach on Feb 10, 2019 12:18:03 GMT -5
How good can Aquinas be? And do they have a match on their schedule besides Lourdes that will show us? They will be ranked 1,2 or 3 in the country with Mobap & Lourdes. Brilliant move by the university to hire a coach from SoCal who has a pipeline to 7 Cali players on the roster.... Not saying you’re wrong as it has worked out incredibly well for them, but they really lucked into it. Rick has been in Michigan for a while now and at Aquinas for a few years all on the girls/women’s side.
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Feb 10, 2019 14:32:33 GMT -5
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Post by digs4days on Feb 10, 2019 14:32:33 GMT -5
They will be ranked 1,2 or 3 in the country with Mobap & Lourdes. Brilliant move by the university to hire a coach from SoCal who has a pipeline to 7 Cali players on the roster.... Not saying you’re wrong as it has worked out incredibly well for them, but they really lucked into it. Rick has been in Michigan for a while now and at Aquinas for a few years all on the girls/women’s side. you're 100% right, it was lucky for them that they had someone with actual men's experience to start their program. Unlike most of the universities adding, Aquinas actually got someone who had real tangible men's experience. That is why they are flourishing and others who just hire to hire cheap or easy are struggling and will continue to do so. Most of the bottom barrel teams and new programs have A consistent issue, lack of men's experience in coaching staff.
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Post by fandad on Feb 10, 2019 14:33:27 GMT -5
Life University Classic Participants Campbellsville (Ky.) St. Andrews (N.C.) Cumberland (Tenn.) Life (Ga.) Midway (Ky.) Scheduled MatchesFebruary 08, 2019 Life (Ga.) vs Campbellsville (Ky.) 3:00 PM St. Andrews (N.C.) vs Cumberland (Tenn.) 5:00 PM Life (Ga.) vs Midway (Ky.) 7:00 PM February 09, 2019 St. Andrews (N.C.) vs Campbellsville (Ky.) 10:00 AM Life (Ga.) vs Cumberland (Tenn.) 11:00 AM St. Andrews (N.C.) vs Midway (Ky.) 2:00 PM Tournament StandingsSt. Andrews (N.C.) 3-0 Life (Ga.) 3-0 Midway (Ky.) 0-2 Cumberland (Tenn.) 0-2 Campbellsville (Ky.) 0-2 Match Results
February 08, 2019 Life (Ga.) vs Campbellsville (Ky.) 3-0 St. Andrews (N.C.) vs Cumberland (Tenn.) 3-0 Life (Ga.) vs Midway (Ky.) 3-0 February 09, 2019 St. Andrews (N.C.) vs Campbellsville (Ky.) 3-1 Life (Ga.) vs Cumberland (Tenn.) 3-0 Midway (Ky.) vs St. Andrews (N.C.) 0-3
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Feb 10, 2019 14:57:42 GMT -5
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Post by kingofthebeach on Feb 10, 2019 14:57:42 GMT -5
Not saying you’re wrong as it has worked out incredibly well for them, but they really lucked into it. Rick has been in Michigan for a while now and at Aquinas for a few years all on the girls/women’s side. you're 100% right, it was lucky for them that they had someone with actual men's experience to start their program. Unlike most of the universities adding, Aquinas actually got someone who had real tangible men's experience. That is why they are flourishing and others who just hire to hire cheap or easy are struggling and will continue to do so. Most of the bottom barrel teams and new programs have A consistent issue, lack of men's experience in coaching staff. Having an in with the CCCAA like he does can be gold with the right resources. Aquinas PIPES money into athletics - it’s a winning combination. But even for Rick, half or most of his coaching experience is on the women’s side. I get where you’re coming from, but I have a hard time criticizing most of the hires with “little men’s experience”. When 88% of the coaching opportunities out there are girls or women’s, what are they supposed to do before they snag a men’s job?
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