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Post by recleague on Jul 8, 2019 17:44:13 GMT -5
Could Kerri and Sarah team up and still make it to the #2? Or would they start completely over with points?
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Post by tamz on Jul 8, 2019 18:03:17 GMT -5
Could Kerri and Sarah team up and still make it to the #2? Or would they start completely over with points? 12 best finishes as a team. No time. Unless they play in the 3* too. But too late...
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Post by dunninla3 on Jul 8, 2019 18:53:25 GMT -5
12 best finishes as a team. No time. Unless they play in the 3* too. But too late... Right. It is theoretically possible. I am assuming it is too late to enter Espinho and Tokyo as a new team. Don't know the rules if Brooke were to declare herself injured, and sponcil replaces Brooke. Therefore, you have (2) 5* Vienna and Rome, and (8) 4* between now and June 14. That doesn't count Warsaw but looks like it would be a week too late to fit the qualification dates. However, as Tamz wrote, there are (2) 3* in early 2020 so that gives you 12. However, notwithstanding Guest2's opinion that Sponcil would be a fool to turn down KWJ should she call, I think Sponcil should stay with Claes. Three reasons: 1) Sponcil is going through the typical "sophomore slump" that happens in all sports. Up through The Hague, she played instinctive, didn't give it a lot of thought, ripped it, etc. Then teams learned her tendencies, and up through Worlds her sideout went down some in effectiveness. Since she can't just keep doing the same instinctive shots, she has to now adjust her shot selection to the adjustments defenders have made. Adjusting requires thinking and preparing, not just playing freely. It takes awhile to change patterns in shot selection, thus the mini slump. 2) Claes will be one of the top 2 US bigs for a long time after KWJ retires. Bigs are more rare than smalls. You find a good big, you stick with her, even if it means that for the short term you might not get to play with the GOAT woman big. 3) Sponcil has just as good a chance of finishing ahead of 2S with Claes as she would with KWJ... b/c of the points deficit, and because of the chance KWJ reinsures her shoulder. So many unknowns. I don't know why Brooke seemed less effective the past four weeks than the eight weeks prior to that. I don't know why 2S just lost to Day/Flint in CQ. Summer does NOT seem the same, and at least one poster close to the team has definitively written that she has had both lower and mid back trouble and didn't even practice for more than a week leading up to NY. Back injures go up and down... see Phil Mickelsen in golf. One week great, one week not. For all those reasons, I think Sponcil stays put for several years with Claes. The only exceptions I can think of are that Alix is looking for right side small after April retires, a US Indoor team big like Larsen moves to beach, or Plummer decides after 2-3 years overseas to switch to Beach. And I think given that KWJ will not get a yes from Hughes, Sponcil or Stockman, Kerri either stays put with Brooke or reaches out to Flint.
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Post by tamz on Jul 8, 2019 19:02:56 GMT -5
I say best option is KWJ/BS swapping with 2S. That does the least damage too.
2S is seriously in a slump right now in terms of entry points. Four 9ths, a 5th, and a 17th. But they cannot progress unless they place higher than a 5th. But in order to do that they need to get into Main Draws.
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Post by dunninla3 on Jul 8, 2019 19:06:41 GMT -5
I say best option is KWJ/BS swapping with 2S. That does the least damage too. 2S is seriously in a slump right now in terms of entry points. Four 9ths, a 5th, and a 17th. But they cannot progress unless they place higher than a 5th. But in order to do that they need to get into Main Draws. Hughes will not now, or ever play with KWJ. Too much has gone down between them directly, and the whole P1440 thing, that has infuriated her advisors.
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Post by ajm on Jul 8, 2019 19:24:54 GMT -5
I really think when all is said and done it will be the ATeam & Kelly & Sarah as #2. I Love Kerri but am concerned about her & Brooke going forward esp if Brooke can’t put the ball away. Don’t think that Kerri can carry anymore of the burden than she already is, which has proven not to be enough. This field is deeper than any of the last four Olympic cycles that KW has been part of including the USA teams alone. KWJ & Brooke have not proven they can beat any of the USA teams in a consistent basis let alone some of the other top teams in the world. There's not a single team in the world on the women's side who can beat the top teams on a consistent basis.
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Post by graham on Jul 8, 2019 20:27:50 GMT -5
Could Kerri and Sarah team up and still make it to the #2? Or would they start completely over with points? Their best bet would be to team up and enter the Olympic Qualification Tournament and hope they make it to the finals. (Top two teams from that tournament earn Olympic spots for their NOC)
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Post by tamz on Jul 8, 2019 20:48:23 GMT -5
Could Kerri and Sarah team up and still make it to the #2? Or would they start completely over with points? Their best bet would be to team up and enter the Olympic Qualification Tournament and hope they make it to the finals. (Top two teams from that tournament earn Olympic spots for their NOC) They have exactly a week to enter their names into that tournament. List of names are released on July 16th. Actually, I think there’s a high chance that KWJ/BS will play that if the other teams who are in a good enough position decide to skip that and play AVP Hawaii instead.
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Post by graham on Jul 8, 2019 21:02:57 GMT -5
Their best bet would be to team up and enter the Olympic Qualification Tournament and hope they make it to the finals. (Top two teams from that tournament earn Olympic spots for their NOC) They have exactly a week to enter their names into that tournament. List of names are released on July 16th. Actually, I think there’s a high chance that KWJ/BS will play that if the other teams who are in a good enough position decide to skip that and play AVP Hawaii instead. Makes sense. I didn't think about the deadline to enter, forgot how far in advance FIVB requires team to register!
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Post by dunninla3 on Jul 8, 2019 21:26:09 GMT -5
Hughes will not now, or ever play with KWJ. Too much has gone down between them directly, and the whole P1440 thing, that has infuriated her advisors. I may have missed something but what about p1440 that would have infuriated her advisors? I get Kerri asked her while she of in the mist of annNCAA championship run but not sure what that has to do with 1440. Her advisors feared that Kerri's approach may have endangered Hughes' last year of NCAA eligibility. The second issue is one of the future of Pro Beach in the US. One point of view is this: If the AVP doesn't make enough money, prize money stays modest (compared to 1989 - 1998) and Sun and his money walk away leaving nothing. Nobody wants bankruptcy again. The AVP is the best chance the US has of returning to the glory days of Pro Beach. Setting up an additional tour looks good in the short term but dilutes the US pro beach "product" in the long run. It confuses sponsors and fans alike. I kind of agree with that point of view, but that doesn't matter... what matter is I know is that people close to Team Hughes have expressed that opinion here on this Board. Like it or not, KWJ hired on to be the face and salesperson of P1440. So if you hold the opinion that P1440 was not good for Pro Beach in the long run, you aren't going to be a supporter of KWJ.
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Post by dunninla3 on Jul 8, 2019 21:42:03 GMT -5
I really think when all is said and done it will be the ATeam & Kelly & Sarah as #2. I Love Kerri but am concerned about her & Brooke going forward esp if Brooke can’t put the ball away. Don’t think that Kerri can carry anymore of the burden than she already is, which has proven not to be enough. This field is deeper than any of the last four Olympic cycles that KW has been part of including the USA teams alone. KWJ & Brooke have not proven they can beat any of the USA teams in a consistent basis let alone some of the other top teams in the world. There's not a single team in the world on the women's side who can beat the top teams on a consistent basis. I suspect Ana Patricia and Rebecca can, but the last month hasn't reflected that. Maybe Agatha/Duda. Worlds just made Brazil look not as threatening as I thought four weeks ago.
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Post by dunninla3 on Jul 8, 2019 21:51:03 GMT -5
Could Kerri and Sarah team up and still make it to the #2? Or would they start completely over with points? Their best bet would be to team up and enter the Olympic Qualification Tournament and hope they make it to the finals. (Top two teams from that tournament earn Olympic spots for their NOC) OK, I'll play the what if game... even though I said KWJ and Sponcil would never happen. IF they happened, I mentioned above they would have 12 tournaments, two of which are 3*, to get enough points to finish #2, ahead of 2S, Claes +new partner, or Stocsen. I imagine that if KWJ stays injury free, they would do that with 75% probability. What a team they'd be. I think that team is better than ATeam. But I also think that long term, that move isn't in Sponcil's best interest. You really think she dumps Claes and then in a year when KWJ retires Claes will welcome her back with open arms?
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 15, 2019 10:02:24 GMT -5
As of July 8th: Not surprising, A-Team jumps KWJ/BS KWJ/BS 2 tournaments away from being the leader in the clubhouse. Sponcil/claes move into 2nd in AVG per tournament. AND they are in the Q at Gstaad, don't have to CQ it. A-Team can clinch their place this month. 5*Gstaad, 4*Espinho, 4*Tokyo and 5*Vienna. If they can avg 5ths, there aren't enough big tournaments next year to catch them. I could see them drop Espinho if they medal this week. Hughes/Summer, Larsen/Stockman need to have a great Gstaad to stay in the race, they are really close to being too far out. Claes/Sponcil are probably in that boat too. Not sure who is playing the best out of the 3 right now. Team . Tournys - Points - AVG Klineman/Ross - 8 - 5,640 - 705 Walsh Jennings/Sweat - 10 - 5,100 - 510 Hughes/Summer - 8 - 4,080 - 510 Sponcil/Claes - 7 - 3,680 - 526 Larsen/Stockman - 7 - 3,360 - 480 Day/Flint - 6 - 2,500 - 417 Howard/Reeves - 5 - 1,400 - 280 Hey, tamz, you and ajm, did I call it?? No reason for A team to play Esphino, no more room for trophies!!
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Post by tamz on Jul 15, 2019 10:07:36 GMT -5
As of July 8th: Not surprising, A-Team jumps KWJ/BS KWJ/BS 2 tournaments away from being the leader in the clubhouse. Sponcil/claes move into 2nd in AVG per tournament. AND they are in the Q at Gstaad, don't have to CQ it. A-Team can clinch their place this month. 5*Gstaad, 4*Espinho, 4*Tokyo and 5*Vienna. If they can avg 5ths, there aren't enough big tournaments next year to catch them. I could see them drop Espinho if they medal this week. Hughes/Summer, Larsen/Stockman need to have a great Gstaad to stay in the race, they are really close to being too far out. Claes/Sponcil are probably in that boat too. Not sure who is playing the best out of the 3 right now. Team . Tournys - Points - AVG Klineman/Ross - 8 - 5,640 - 705 Walsh Jennings/Sweat - 10 - 5,100 - 510 Hughes/Summer - 8 - 4,080 - 510 Sponcil/Claes - 7 - 3,680 - 526 Larsen/Stockman - 7 - 3,360 - 480 Day/Flint - 6 - 2,500 - 417 Howard/Reeves - 5 - 1,400 - 280 Hey, tamz, you and ajm, did I call it?? No reason for A team to play Esphino, no more room for trophies!! Yes you did!! Waiting for FIVB to update the points today or tomorrow! They must be mentally exhausted after these three weeks in Hamburg and Gstaad. They deserve some much needed rest and recovery. Tokyo up next week! Hope they’ll be fresh and hungry for more next week.
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Post by acrossthepond on Jul 15, 2019 10:11:46 GMT -5
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