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Post by goldengirlsx3 on May 10, 2019 16:14:14 GMT -5
Sponcil and KW? Seems the equal or possibly better than Hughes even now, with more upside. Hughes might be better at receiving serve, but only b/c Sponcil had very little opportunity to hone that skill at UCLA where nobody ever served her. KW would be good training for Sponcil before pairing with Klineman for 2024 or 2028. Someone commented above (or in another thread, can't remember) that Sponcil hasn't proven she can side out against elite opponents. That wasn't the case in her first tournament with Fendrick, where she was playing instinctively and digging and siding out to remind me of Taylor Crabb. if she has gone backward a little, and I don't know if that is the case, that is the normal learning rookie curve of going from instinctive to mechanical (for learning purposes), before coming out the other side with a better instinctive. And from what I've seen of Claes, any good finishes on FIVB would be owing more to Sponcil than Claes. I think Sponcil is going to be amazing. Who knows, once Kelly gets the mental side of her game fixed, Sara May have done her a favor dumping her. Kelly could be thanking her in the future.
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Post by guest2 on May 10, 2019 16:33:50 GMT -5
Sponcil and KW? Seems the equal or possibly better than Hughes even now, with more upside. Hughes might be better at receiving serve, but only b/c Sponcil had very little opportunity to hone that skill at UCLA where nobody ever served her. KW would be good training for Sponcil before pairing with Klineman for 2024 or 2028. Someone commented above (or in another thread, can't remember) that Sponcil hasn't proven she can side out against elite opponents. That wasn't the case in her first tournament with Fendrick, where she was playing instinctively and digging and siding out to remind me of Taylor Crabb. if she has gone backward a little, and I don't know if that is the case, that is the normal learning rookie curve of going from instinctive to mechanical (for learning purposes), before coming out the other side with a better instinctive. And from what I've seen of Claes, any good finishes on FIVB would be owing more to Sponcil than Claes. I think that was me. I would say both the reason you gave and teams being able to scout her account for her struggles to side out, but I would also say she has barely played any elite opponents (at least FIVB elite) On the FIVB they did well against one elite team (Sude/Laborer) and they did very, very well in that match. Otherwise, including the FIVB, they lost to every good US team they played and when Sarah played the US' elite teams she lost in 2 in every match. (hard to count the matches with Cannon though) I think Claes/Sponcil's success is probably more like 1/3 Claes, 1/3 Sponcil, and 1/3 very good draws but I agree with you that Kelly is not carrying anyone to top international finishes.
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Post by tamz on May 10, 2019 16:35:27 GMT -5
We’ll find out in a few days when Sponcil/Claes play CQ against the two American teams.
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Post by guest2 on May 10, 2019 16:46:58 GMT -5
We’ll find out in a few days when Sponcil/Claes play CQ against the two American teams. If they choose to serve her. If I were playing them, I would probably go to Kelly as somewhat of a surer thing. (inconsistent and a good block can take her swing away)
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Post by goldengirlsx3 on May 10, 2019 17:02:29 GMT -5
We’ll find out in a few days when Sponcil/Claes play CQ against the two American teams. Do you know who plays who in CQ Tamz??
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Post by tamz on May 10, 2019 17:08:43 GMT -5
We’ll find out in a few days when Sponcil/Claes play CQ against the two American teams. Do you know who plays who in CQ Tamz?? This is posted in the Itapema thread but it’s Day/Flint, KWJ/BS and Claes/Sponcil.
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Post by wang pu on May 10, 2019 18:31:10 GMT -5
Do you know who plays who in CQ Tamz?? This is posted in the Itapema thread but it’s Day/Flint, KWJ/BS and Claes/Sponcil. How many more tourneys do Day/Flint have before KWJ/Sweat pass them (assuming KWJ/Sweat keeping making the Qualifier)?
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Post by JB Southpaw on May 20, 2019 9:38:12 GMT -5
Updated 5-20-19
Team - Nb. - Points - Avg Klineman/Ross - 5 - 3,240 - 648 Walsh Jennings/Sweat - 7 - 3,100 - 443 Day/Flint - 5 - 2,180 - 436 Larsen/Stockman - 5 - 2,000 - 400 Hughes/Summer - 4 - 2,000 - 500 Sponcil/Claes - 3 - 1,600 - 533 Howard/Reeves - 5 - 1,400 - 280 Ledoux/Urango - 2 - 780 - 390 Quiggle/Dowdy - 2 - 720 - 360 Wopat/Hochevar - 3 - 560 - 187 Dykstra/House - 3 - 520 - 173 Nourse A./Nourse N. - 4 - 420 - 105
standings with 12 events at average:
Team - Nb. - Avg - with 12 Klineman/Ross - 5 - 648 - 7,776 Sponcil/Claes - 3 - 533 - 6,400 Hughes/Summer - 4 - 500 - 6,000 Walsh Jennings/Sweat - 7 - 443 - 5,314 Day/Flint - 5 - 436 - 5,232 Larsen/Stockman - 5 - 400 - 4,800 Ledoux/Urango - 2 - 390 - 4,680 Quiggle/Dowdy - 2 - 360 - 4,320 Howard/Reeves - 5 - 280 - 3,360 Wopat/Hochevar - 3 - 187 - 2,240 Dykstra/House - 3 - 173 - 2,080 Nourse A./Nourse N. - 4 - 105 - 1,260
A-Team averaging over 100pts more than the next team per tournament.
Starting to look like a race only for the 2nd team.
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Post by guest2 on May 20, 2019 9:59:23 GMT -5
Updated 5-20-19 Team - Nb. - Points - Avg Klineman/Ross - 5 - 3,240 - 648 Walsh Jennings/Sweat - 7 - 3,100 - 443 Day/Flint - 5 - 2,180 - 436 Larsen/Stockman - 5 - 2,000 - 400 Hughes/Summer - 4 - 2,000 - 500 Sponcil/Claes - 3 - 1,600 - 533 Howard/Reeves - 5 - 1,400 - 280 Ledoux/Urango - 2 - 780 - 390 Quiggle/Dowdy - 2 - 720 - 360 Wopat/Hochevar - 3 - 560 - 187 Dykstra/House - 3 - 520 - 173 Nourse A./Nourse N. - 4 - 420 - 105 standings with 12 events at average: Team - Nb. - Avg - with 12 Klineman/Ross - 5 - 648 - 7,776 Sponcil/Claes - 3 - 533 - 6,400 Hughes/Summer - 4 - 500 - 6,000 Walsh Jennings/Sweat - 7 - 443 - 5,314 Day/Flint - 5 - 436 - 5,232 Larsen/Stockman - 5 - 400 - 4,800 Ledoux/Urango - 2 - 390 - 4,680 Quiggle/Dowdy - 2 - 360 - 4,320 Howard/Reeves - 5 - 280 - 3,360 Wopat/Hochevar - 3 - 187 - 2,240 Dykstra/House - 3 - 173 - 2,080 Nourse A./Nourse N. - 4 - 105 - 1,260 A-Team averaging over 100pts more than the next team per tournament. Starting to look like a race only for the 2nd team. Sure looks that way. Ateam looks head and shoulders above everyone and it's not super close right now
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Post by guest2 on May 20, 2019 10:00:56 GMT -5
This is posted in the Itapema thread but it’s Day/Flint, KWJ/BS and Claes/Sponcil. How many more tourneys do Day/Flint have before KWJ/Sweat pass them (assuming KWJ/Sweat keeping making the Qualifier)? They should be banned from international competition after that performance last week
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Post by tamz on May 20, 2019 10:05:48 GMT -5
How many more tourneys do Day/Flint have before KWJ/Sweat pass them (assuming KWJ/Sweat keeping making the Qualifier)? They should be banned from international competition after that performance last week Omg you’re hilarious guest2 😂😂😂 Let’s see if they do any damage in Jinjiang. I’m kinda losing hope in Larsen/Stockman too.
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Post by JB Southpaw on May 20, 2019 10:21:32 GMT -5
How many more tourneys do Day/Flint have before KWJ/Sweat pass them (assuming KWJ/Sweat keeping making the Qualifier)? They should be banned from international competition after that performance last week July 17th 2018, they won 600pts by winning a 3 star in China, when that clears, they are going to have to use a tournament much lower. But, until KWJ and Brooke have a Gold or Silver, they'll be really close using 5ths and 7ths.
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Post by acrossthepond on May 20, 2019 10:41:04 GMT -5
They should be banned from international competition after that performance last week July 17th 2018, they won 600pts by winning a 3 star in China, when that clears, they are going to have to use a tournament much lower. But, until KWJ and Brooke have a Gold or Silver, they'll be really close using 5ths and 7ths. Day/Flint are already behind Walsh/Sweat in Entry Points. You can filter the entry pionts by country here: 12ndr.at/entry-ranking-womenFurthermore Stockman/Larsen really have to watch out. They will lose their best result in their entry list meaning that they would drop below 1800 entry points. They have to deliver in their next tournament or they'll have to play CQ. The 3 MD teams for USA seem to be pretty much set in stone for the foreseeable future: Klineman/Ross, Hughes/Summer and Klineman/Ross. All of them have very good entry results and Walsh/Sweat will have a hard time overtaking them with 4* tournaments.
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Post by tamz on May 20, 2019 11:40:50 GMT -5
They should be banned from international competition after that performance last week July 17th 2018, they won 600pts by winning a 3 star in China, when that clears, they are going to have to use a tournament much lower. But, until KWJ and Brooke have a Gold or Silver, they'll be really close using 5ths and 7ths. JB, for entry points, it’s the best 4 of 6 events. Day/Flint’s best finish right now is actually a 2nd in Sydney (540 points), followed by a 5th in Las Vegas (480 points). The two 9ths (400 points per tournament as a team).
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Post by tamz on May 20, 2019 11:45:23 GMT -5
ATeam are 200 entry points ahead of S2. S2 is 440 points ahead of Claes/Sponcil.
After this week, 2S will be dropping the 360 points from the 9th place finish in Vienna. That means they’ll need a 2nd place finish in Jinjiang to maintain the current number of entry points they currently have.
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