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Post by breakoutsports on Feb 13, 2019 11:49:52 GMT -5
My favorite consequence is to have the losers jump up in the air and kick out their arms and legs in a star fashion 5 times. They have to yell "I'm a star" each time they do it.
For players who are a little bit introverted or have an ego, it's actually pretty great motivation to win. Most kids find it fun and so does my men's team.
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Post by eazy on Feb 13, 2019 12:16:04 GMT -5
My favorite is when coaching the kids where winning IS the reward, and losing is the punishment. Competitive kids > Pavlovian conditioning Depends on the both the age level and the gender in my experience.... I’ve experienced the exact opposite. 10 year old girls like that and 18 year old girls like that. I don’t know exactly what determines it, but I do not believe it is age or gender. There could be an argument that people attempt that condition girls, especially young girls, away from being competitive, but that is a societal problem.
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Post by boh on Feb 13, 2019 14:24:16 GMT -5
Ideally (I am usually able to get them to buy in enough), they value what I think and recognize that I want what is best for them. So when they do well (not win) I tell them how happy I am that they did x, y, and z. When they do not play well (not lose)I tell them that they are better than what they showed because they did not execute x, y, and z.
Sometimes there are other ways to motivate, but this works best for me in most situations and it creates a very open environment for kids to try new things without being afraid of consequences.
The only time I am ever really actually unhappy with them is if there is a purposeful lack of effort.
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Post by breakoutsports on Feb 13, 2019 17:15:27 GMT -5
Depends on the both the age level and the gender in my experience.... I’ve experienced the exact opposite. 10 year old girls like that and 18 year old girls like that. I don’t know exactly what determines it, but I do not believe it is age or gender. There could be an argument that people attempt that condition girls, especially young girls, away from being competitive, but that is a societal problem. Agreed! I’ve coached quite a few girls at various ages of teendom that had to be told to chill out a little—girls and women can be VERY competitive. Sometimes to a fault.
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Feb 13, 2019 17:35:24 GMT -5
Dunning used to run these end of game drills, usually five points and reward the winning team by letting them stay on the court for another round.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 13, 2019 18:02:18 GMT -5
Dunning used to run these end of game drills, usually five points and reward the winning team by letting them stay on the court for another round. That's traditional everywhere, isn't it? At the bar pool table, at the local park bb hoop, at the ping pong table at lunch, etc. -- winners take on the next challengers and losers have to walk away.
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Post by azvolleydad on Feb 13, 2019 18:47:28 GMT -5
In this day and age (or any age for that matter), I doubt that your lap is an appropriate punishment.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Feb 14, 2019 0:06:03 GMT -5
Dunning used to run these end of game drills, usually five points and reward the winning team by letting them stay on the court for another round. That's traditional everywhere, isn't it? At the ping beer pong table -- winners take on the next challengers and losers have to walk away. There, I fixed it for you.
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Feb 14, 2019 15:15:38 GMT -5
Dunning used to run these end of game drills, usually five points and reward the winning team by letting them stay on the court for another round. That's traditional everywhere, isn't it? At the bar pool table, at the local park bb hoop, at the ping pong table at lunch, etc. -- winners take on the next challengers and losers have to walk away. Swell, but do other coaches use this "traditional" method?
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Post by itsallrelative on Feb 14, 2019 15:42:35 GMT -5
Winners get to pick the next (or last) 5 min drill.
Losers retrieve all of the volleyballs....have to put away equipment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 17:46:55 GMT -5
Back in the day (pre-4 BC), winners would take some (fairly leisurely) laps - good technique to decompress/ improve stamina - and then shower. Losers (as noted in post above) gathered gear and closed down the gym - AFTER some (somewhat more strenuous, timed) laps - it created motivation To Not lose. There was a deal wherein the defeated side would be "slaves" for the winners - so to speak - for a short period of time (lighthearted crap; and yet that fostered in-house competition/ bonding: if not taken TOO seriously). One of a coach's duties was to monitor such.
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Post by eazy on Feb 14, 2019 23:49:44 GMT -5
Back in the day (pre-4 BC), winners would take some (fairly leisurely) laps - good technique to decompress/ improve stamina - and then shower. Losers (as noted in post above) gathered gear and closed down the gym - AFTER some (somewhat more strenuous, timed) laps - it created motivation To Not lose. There was a deal wherein the defeated side would be "slaves" for the winners - so to speak - for a short period of time (lighthearted crap; and yet that fostered in-house competition/ bonding: if not taken TOO seriously). One of a coach's duties was to monitor such. So you’re saying back in your day kids weren’t competitive enough to want to win for the sake of winning?
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Feb 15, 2019 8:10:58 GMT -5
Do punishments actually even work? Like making kids do running exercises or stairs if they don't do their best, is that even effective?
I would think that positively upbuilding teammates would be ideal.
In my daughter's last year, 17's, of volleyball she ended up with what I will nicely describe as a petty person as a coach. This coach would undermine the girls, specific players, very frequently. NO ONE played their best all season. They all hated her and would unite on occasion as a team because they disliked her so much, but that mutual dislike of her was not enough to keep them strong. Coaches like that should not be allowed to coach, they undermine the entire point of being a team. I found it to be a completely ineffective way of keeping a team dynamic. It literally killed my kids love for the game. She (coach)was a fan of doling out punishments. I don't think it ever occurred to her to be pleasant, think of her team as the best and that they would try to rise to the occasion. A real shame.
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Post by boh on Feb 15, 2019 13:23:55 GMT -5
Do punishments actually even work? Like making kids do running exercises or stairs if they don't do their best, is that even effective? This is hilarious coming from someone who backs sports performance.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Feb 16, 2019 23:41:28 GMT -5
Do punishments actually even work? Like making kids do running exercises or stairs if they don't do their best, is that even effective? This is hilarious coming from someone who backs sports performance. You didn't actually give me an answer but yeah, I'll bite...by your logic & accusations in addition to factual events: perhaps it must be effective. How many Natty's came home with SP in 2018? I'll wait while you gather up extra fingers and toes to count.
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