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Post by Phaedrus on Mar 15, 2019 11:23:32 GMT -5
Since a lot of entities are now involved, I wonder if this unravels the coaches who pay for their star athletes to come. Football and basketball for the most part are masterful at covering up, they may be in trouble here, and the rest of the sports aren't as good in covering up so this could get very ugly. Football and basketball has been the tail wagging for such a long time. In a way, they indirectly created the kind of reasoning that enabled this to happen, creating a shadow roster of applicants for the sports to stash people who had no chance to get in to the schools on their own. If they decide that the whole college admissions system is broken, which I think it is, then the unraveling with begin shortly. But of they decide that they can resolve the PR problem by nibbling at the edges and not truly address the cancer at the core, then no, I don't think anyone is going to get in serious trouble. I would put money on the latter.
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Post by Wolfgang on Mar 15, 2019 11:44:04 GMT -5
Ah, but that raises an interesting question on surivial of the fittist...what if your kid is not the "fittist"? I can't speak for Darwin but I think he would say "under the most extreme conditions". Living in the United States growing up in the Wolfgang household might have been a little tough, but not the most extreme conditions. Nah...wasn't so bad. My kids were great to begin with.
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Post by Wolfgang on Mar 15, 2019 11:49:55 GMT -5
One thing that has been very upsetting recently is that whenever I type "Loughlin," my computer auto spell-checks it as "Laughlin," which forces me to go back and correct it.
This happens a lot in the Video Games thread where "playthrough" becomes "play through" (with the space). I sometimes go back and change it, but most of the time, I just give up and leave it as is.
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 15, 2019 14:31:18 GMT -5
I think this situation opens up a larger debate on college and college admissions. I have friends who have paid 'professionals' to fill out their applications and write their application essays for them. I see this as getting an unfair advantage over those who actually put in the work and do it the right way. Gavin Newsome made an interesting point this morning: how is this different from giving the school $20 million to build a building named after yourself so that your ne'er do well offsprings can get into UPenn or Harvard? It isn't the mechanism that is f'ed up, it is the initial assumption that buying your way into these supposedly paragons of virtue operates their whorehouses. Where would higher education be without philanthropy? It's ugly sometimes, but it can also be like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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Post by azvb on Mar 15, 2019 15:39:34 GMT -5
One thing that has been very upsetting recently is that whenever I type "Loughlin," my computer auto spell-checks it as "Laughlin," which forces me to go back and correct it. This happens a lot in the Video Games thread where "playthrough" becomes "play through" (with the space). I sometimes go back and change it, but most of the time, I just give up and leave it as is. This post belongs here: The MUNDANE Problems of Domestic Life Thread
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Post by Phaedrus on Mar 15, 2019 16:10:10 GMT -5
Gavin Newsome made an interesting point this morning: how is this different from giving the school $20 million to build a building named after yourself so that your ne'er do well offsprings can get into UPenn or Harvard? It isn't the mechanism that is f'ed up, it is the initial assumption that buying your way into these supposedly paragons of virtue operates their whorehouses. Where would higher education be without philanthropy? It's ugly sometimes, but it can also be like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Philanthropy is giving freely, not giving for a price. Please don't redefine the term.
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 15, 2019 16:12:18 GMT -5
Where would higher education be without philanthropy? It's ugly sometimes, but it can also be like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Philanthropy is giving freely, not giving for a price. Please don't redefine the term. I know the definition of the term. Perhaps you're conflating altruism and philanthropy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 16:16:15 GMT -5
Gavin Newsome made an interesting point this morning: how is this different from giving the school $20 million to build a building named after yourself so that your ne'er do well offsprings can get into UPenn or Harvard? It isn't the mechanism that is f'ed up, it is the initial assumption that buying your way into these supposedly paragons of virtue operates their whorehouses. Where would higher education be without philanthropy? It's ugly sometimes, but it can also be like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Where would schools be? Better off. Does Harvard need more money since it has more in hand than most African nations? A tenth of Yale's money could fund 50 small private schools elsewhere and leave Yale just as it is right now. A friend always says that July 4th, 1776 happens the same whether youre at a juco, state school or the Ivy League. So higher ed would be just fine.
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Post by Wolfgang on Mar 15, 2019 16:25:52 GMT -5
One thing that has been very upsetting recently is that whenever I type "Loughlin," my computer auto spell-checks it as "Laughlin," which forces me to go back and correct it. This happens a lot in the Video Games thread where "playthrough" becomes "play through" (with the space). I sometimes go back and change it, but most of the time, I just give up and leave it as is. This post belongs here: The MUNDANE Problems of Domestic Life Thread But Lori Loughlin belongs here.
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 15, 2019 16:26:01 GMT -5
Where would higher education be without philanthropy? It's ugly sometimes, but it can also be like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Where would schools be? Better off. Does Harvard need more money since it has more in hand than most African nations? A tenth of Yale's money could fund 50 small private schools elsewhere and leave Yale just as it is right now. A friend always says that July 4th, 1776 happens the same whether youre at a juco, state school or the Ivy League. So higher ed would be just fine. Nonsense. Africa would be much better off with a few Harvards in its midst. It would also be better off with with a few jucos, state schools and July 4th, 1776.
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Post by Phaedrus on Mar 15, 2019 16:31:38 GMT -5
Philanthropy is giving freely, not giving for a price. Please don't redefine the term. I know the definition of the term. Perhaps you're conflating altruism and philanthropy. Definition of philanthropy 1 : goodwill to fellow members of the human race especially : active effort to promote human welfare 2a : an act or gift done or made for humanitarian purposes b : an organization distributing or supported by funds set aside for humanitarian purposes Definition of altruism 1 : unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others charitable acts motivated purely by altruism 2 : behavior by an animal that is not beneficial to or may be harmful to itself but that benefits others of its species I don't see quid pro quo in either definition
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 15, 2019 16:56:22 GMT -5
I know the definition of the term. Perhaps you're conflating altruism and philanthropy. Definition of philanthropy 1 : goodwill to fellow members of the human race especially : active effort to promote human welfare 2a : an act or gift done or made for humanitarian purposes b : an organization distributing or supported by funds set aside for humanitarian purposes Definition of altruism 1 : unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others charitable acts motivated purely by altruism 2 : behavior by an animal that is not beneficial to or may be harmful to itself but that benefits others of its species I don't see quid pro quo in either definition philanthropy /fɪˈlanθrəpi/Submit noun the desire to promote the welfare of others, expressed especially by the generous donation of money to good causes. "he acquired a considerable fortune and was noted for his philanthropy" NORTH AMERICAN a philanthropic institution; a charity. plural noun: philanthropies "a philanthropy was incorporated to help oldsters obtain benefits like pension rights" Philanthropy in America, particularly in higher education, has always had an element of quid pro quo. Harvard was founded as a training school for the clergy, and was renamed Harvard College after a clergyman, John Harvard who was educated at Cambridge, donated a sum of money and his library of books. It's simply incorrect to say that such philanthropy is given freely. There is usually always an element of recognition or specific purpose.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Mar 15, 2019 17:54:36 GMT -5
Where would higher education be without philanthropy? It's ugly sometimes, but it can also be like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Where would schools be? Better off. Does Harvard need more money since it has more in hand than most African nations? A tenth of Yale's money could fund 50 small private schools elsewhere and leave Yale just as it is right now. A friend always says that July 4th, 1776 happens the same whether youre at a juco, state school or the Ivy League. So higher ed would be just fine. Who decides how much is too much?
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Post by azvb on Mar 15, 2019 18:51:30 GMT -5
Where would schools be? Better off. Does Harvard need more money since it has more in hand than most African nations? A tenth of Yale's money could fund 50 small private schools elsewhere and leave Yale just as it is right now. A friend always says that July 4th, 1776 happens the same whether youre at a juco, state school or the Ivy League. So higher ed would be just fine. Who decides how much is too much? Donna from USC? And apparently, you can never have too much.
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Post by azvb on Mar 15, 2019 19:09:03 GMT -5
Donna from USC? And apparently, you can never have too much. This man hating woman did take out 2 coach's who won multiple National Championships for USC...................Jovan Vacic and Mick Haley. There’s a TV show I think on CNBC called American Greed. I CALLED IT, she will be featured in an episode. bigfan, any idea what her salary was?
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