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Post by notwvb on Mar 16, 2019 11:06:30 GMT -5
Every parent who is in the process of helping DD decide on which college to attend for an education and play volleyball should read Peggy Noonan's article "Kids, Don't Become Success Robots" in today's WSJ. Wish I could reprint the entire article.
She concludes that the heart of problem in the college admissions scandal is parents who are "status monkeys creating success robots" and who are hell bent on looking good. It's more about the parents who wish to be seen to be intelligent and successful themselves. But, she suggests, the truth is the student doesn't need to attend the college that markets itself as a brand to get ahead and the student doesn't need to network to be successful. Don't fashion your DD to be one of the success robots who often struggle. Her advice: "Avoid elite universities if you can... Aim at smaller, second tier colleges, places of low-key harmony ... and [thereby] get a real education... You'll be with a better class of people - harder-working, less cynical, more earnest... Do not network. Make friends. Learn about the lives of others."
Will be reminded of this next time I see the "Yale Mom" or "Duke Dad" sticker on the Range Rover.
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Post by trainermch on Mar 16, 2019 11:14:42 GMT -5
Every parent who is in the process of helping DD decide on which college to attend for an education and play volleyball should read Peggy Noonan's article "Kids, Don't Become Success Robots" in today's WSJ. Wish I could reprint the entire article. She concludes that the heart of problem in the college admissions scandal is parents who are "status monkeys creating success robots" and who are hell bent on looking good. It's more about the parents who wish to be seen to be intelligent and successful themselves. But, she suggests, the truth is the student doesn't need to attend the college that markets itself as a brand to get ahead and the student doesn't need to network to be successful. Don't fashion your DD to be one of the success robots who often struggle. Her advice: "Avoid elite universities if you can... Aim at smaller, second tier colleges, places of low-key harmony ... and [thereby] get a real education... You'll be with a better class of people - harder-working, less cynical, more earnest... Do not network. Make friends. Learn about the lives of others." Will be reminded of this next time I see the "Yale Mom" or "Duke Dad" sticker on the Range Rover. Go CofC Cougs!! (I’m on board with this, obviously.) My mom called me this am to tell me to read that article. She reads wsj cover to cover. 85. I love it.
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Post by volleylearner on Mar 16, 2019 11:46:40 GMT -5
I think this is the college admissions industrial complex run amok. These schools have prestige, in terms of rankings, but I am not sure how much you objectively gain from being an undergrad at them. Teaching assistants do a lot of the actual teaching at them, and I have to say that I didn't even know what they did until I became one in grad school. At a solidly regarded but not top tier rated teaching school, I was taught by professors almost exclusively. That was not something about which I had any idea as a high school student looking at schools, but it is actually a big deal. Actual mileage may vary. Many Ivy League schools make faculty teaching a higher priority than some large state schools. And while teaching is very important, another valuable aspect of college is the community--particularly your fellow students. I'm not saying more selective schools are inherently better in that regard. I went to a public high school and then a college with a lot of preppies, which was an unpleasant culture shock. On the other hand, in high school I was in the 90th percentile or better in all academic subjects whereas in college I was below 50th in most of them, which helped me focus on the subjects I was better at.
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Post by azvb on Mar 16, 2019 12:02:46 GMT -5
There’s a TV show I think on CNBC called American Greed. I CALLED IT, she will be featured in an episode. bigfan, any idea what her salary was? In your history with sport did you ever coach or work in a college athletic department? Yes. Jr. College
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Post by azvb on Mar 16, 2019 12:14:37 GMT -5
The President saying USC is a victim...............this shows you how out of touch every one in power at that school is what arrogant stupid idiots they really are. His last quote is his swan song. pun intended. goodbye www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/26277586/usc-swann-blindsided-admissions-scandalLynn Swann, hired by the USC Trojans three years ago to run an athletic department all too familiar with scandal, says he won't resign in the face of more of it. "I think everybody was blindsided by this," Swann said in the interview with the Times. "The fact that it was a senior member of the staff and also our men's and women's head water polo coach. ... These are people that have been here a long time and people who had been here during difficult times and had seen bad things done and knew better. Everyone was completely shocked, caught off guard and taken by surprise." Swann said that in the future, one person will not have as much responsibility as senior administrators such as the fired Donna Heinel had. Lynn Swann, hired by the USC Trojans three years ago to run an athletic department all too familiar with scandal, says he won't resign in the face of more of it. Swann, speaking to the Los Angeles Times about the college admissions bribery case in which a senior associate athletic director, water polo coach and former soccer coach were indicted and later fired by the school, said they were veteran athletics officials who "had seen bad things done and knew better." "We will work with the university to implement the best system," Swann said. "We will work with the administration, admissions, sports administrators, recruiters and scouts so there are more eyeballs on this. Moving forward when a list of names is being put forward, the coach sees it, the recruiter sees it, the administrator sees it and others see it so we know these are real student-athletes that we're trying to get. "Whether they're a preferred walk-on in football or someone else, we need to know these are real student-athletes. One of the first things I did after I read through the affidavit was I called Katharine Harrington, the vice president of admissions and planning at USC, and I apologized to her. The admissions department had no clue this was happening. They had no idea, and why would they?" Swann was among more than 200 candidates considered for the position before his hire. He had no experience in high-level collegiate athletic administration but was the third consecutive former USC football player to take the post. "I've done a lot of things in my life that have given me experience in moving into this position," Swann told the Los Angeles Times. "I felt like it would be a great opportunity. Do I want to do it forever? No. I would like to do it for 10 years. In corporate America they look at a tenure of a CEO and they say 10 years is about right. $100 says he had to look up who the VP of admissions and planning was before he called her 😀. I read somewhere when Heinel was first hired by Pat Haden as Associate AD she would be given total control over athlete admissions. Maybe there needs to be some sort of audit going on? Also, maybe USC should not hire former football coaches for AD’s.
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Post by breakoutsports on Mar 16, 2019 12:33:11 GMT -5
Every parent who is in the process of helping DD decide on which college to attend for an education and play volleyball should read Peggy Noonan's article "Kids, Don't Become Success Robots" in today's WSJ. Wish I could reprint the entire article. She concludes that the heart of problem in the college admissions scandal is parents who are "status monkeys creating success robots" and who are hell bent on looking good. It's more about the parents who wish to be seen to be intelligent and successful themselves. But, she suggests, the truth is the student doesn't need to attend the college that markets itself as a brand to get ahead and the student doesn't need to network to be successful. Don't fashion your DD to be one of the success robots who often struggle. Her advice: "Avoid elite universities if you can... Aim at smaller, second tier colleges, places of low-key harmony ... and [thereby] get a real education... You'll be with a better class of people - harder-working, less cynical, more earnest... Do not network. Make friends. Learn about the lives of others." Will be reminded of this next time I see the "Yale Mom" or "Duke Dad" sticker on the Range Rover. THIS. I feel like that attitude crops up all too often in athletics in particular. For example, the parents want the fame of their child being the youngest to commit to a college, rather than allowing their child to take their time and commit when it’s right.
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Post by azvb on Mar 16, 2019 13:00:00 GMT -5
Heinel was the most powerful woman in the USC athletic department. How likely that she has numerous flunkies who had no part of this scam but are flunkies nonetheless? I’m somewhat confused at your last two responses. I asked you if you had any idea what her salary was, and you responded by asking if I’d ever coached or worked in. College athletic dept. I responded I had worked at a Jr. College, and you responded about flunkies. HUH??
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Post by ned3vball on Mar 16, 2019 13:25:14 GMT -5
Every parent who is in the process of helping DD decide on which college to attend for an education and play volleyball should read Peggy Noonan's article "Kids, Don't Become Success Robots" in today's WSJ. Wish I could reprint the entire article. She concludes that the heart of problem in the college admissions scandal is parents who are "status monkeys creating success robots" and who are hell bent on looking good. It's more about the parents who wish to be seen to be intelligent and successful themselves. But, she suggests, the truth is the student doesn't need to attend the college that markets itself as a brand to get ahead and the student doesn't need to network to be successful. Don't fashion your DD to be one of the success robots who often struggle. Her advice: "Avoid elite universities if you can... Aim at smaller, second tier colleges, places of low-key harmony ... and [thereby] get a real education... You'll be with a better class of people - harder-working, less cynical, more earnest... Do not network. Make friends. Learn about the lives of others." Will be reminded of this next time I see the "Yale Mom" or "Duke Dad" sticker on the Range Rover. She did pick a very easy day to write this article. It should also be noted that she sent her only son to the Saint Ann's school in NY city which some years ago the WSJ reported was the #1 rated school in America for percentage of seniors going to Ivy league and other elite universities. Her son went to Georgetown and is now a well known member of the media, networked to the gills. So she wasn't very good at taking her own advice. If you can get into an elite university of course you should go. 99% of those admitted, actually did earn their way in despite what some people want to imagine right now, with an outlier scandal to hold up. You will meet an incredible bunch of people that will amaze you. I will agree with one general point, you certainly don't have to get into one of those schools to do well, You will meet a good group at Tennessee Tech as well. There are all kinds of good schools out there. But come on, if you get into Harvard, go. And there is this perspective on the current mess, The Onion weighs in
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Post by azvb on Mar 16, 2019 13:57:16 GMT -5
I’m somewhat confused at your last two responses. I asked you if you had any idea what her salary was, and you responded by asking if I’d ever coached or worked in. College athletic dept. I responded I had worked at a Jr. College, and you responded about flunkies. HUH?? Salary................$500,000 range. Flunkies...................you worked in a athletic dept did you experience people beholden to other people? Why on earth would she be a part of this?. $500,000 salary, plus her little side gig. Gambling, drugs?
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Post by volleyguy on Mar 16, 2019 14:01:01 GMT -5
I’m somewhat confused at your last two responses. I asked you if you had any idea what her salary was, and you responded by asking if I’d ever coached or worked in. College athletic dept. I responded I had worked at a Jr. College, and you responded about flunkies. HUH?? Salary................$500,000 range. Flunkies...................you worked in a athletic dept did you experience people beholden to other people? No way her legitimate salary was $500K.
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Post by Mocha on Mar 16, 2019 14:02:46 GMT -5
Salary................$500,000 range. Flunkies...................you worked in a athletic dept did you experience people beholden to other people? Why on earth would she be a part of this?. $500,000 salary, plus her little side gig. Gambling, drugs? She probably needed the money for parking in downtown LA.
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Post by azvb on Mar 16, 2019 14:06:15 GMT -5
If those 24 actual athletes can be identified, lawsuits will happen.
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Post by azvb on Mar 16, 2019 14:08:54 GMT -5
Assuming there will be hefty fines in addition to jail time. Who decides where those fines go?
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Post by Mocha on Mar 16, 2019 14:14:58 GMT -5
Lock her up!
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Post by trainermch on Mar 16, 2019 14:17:20 GMT -5
If those 24 actual athletes can be identified, lawsuits will happen. I feel certain that is already in the works. This is going to be quite a long and drawn out drama.
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