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Post by azvb on Mar 17, 2019 9:07:11 GMT -5
What makes Sport susceptible to corruption? Aside from the process flaws, what is it about these people involved that they would jeopardize their careers, and reputation? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ And it’s the fact that Universities give preferential admission to athletes that is the heart of this scandal, right?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 9:23:39 GMT -5
What makes Sport susceptible to corruption? Aside from the process flaws, what is it about these people involved that they would jeopardize their careers, and reputation? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ And it’s the fact that Universities give preferential admission to athletes that is the heart of this scandal, right? Preference isnt just for athletes although there are probably more of them, artists, musicians, and dancers get preference at places where the arts are highly prized or regarded. I get it, money can be a huge motivator to tarnish oneself or overlook past transgressions (looking at you SPRI), but your profession, your employer? These are mostly rhetorical questions, but I do wonder how any of this gets fixed.
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Post by volleylearner on Mar 17, 2019 10:03:34 GMT -5
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ And it’s the fact that Universities give preferential admission to athletes that is the heart of this scandal, right? Preference isnt just for athletes although there are probably more of them, artists, musicians, and dancers get preference at places where the arts are highly prized or regarded. I get it, money can be a huge motivator to tarnish oneself or overlook past transgressions (looking at you SPRI), but your profession, your employer? These are mostly rhetorical questions, but I do wonder how any of this gets fixed. The cheating on standardized tests isn't really sports-related. It likely is also happening in non-sports cases. Seems to me what happened here was a combination of some very rich people who don't think rules apply to them and some non-rich people corrupted by a system with too much money and too little oversight. Implementing better oversight is easier said than done--many times it leads to mindless bureacracy. Changing our culture so we didn't worship wealth, high test scores, and certain colleges would be a better long-term fix, but I'm not going to hold my breath for that.
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Post by Mocha on Mar 17, 2019 10:37:50 GMT -5
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Post by holidayhusker on Mar 17, 2019 10:44:39 GMT -5
I can't believe people are actually shocked about this "new" scandal. I thought all along that this was how extremely wealthy people got into college, but now they're actually talking about it and taking charge of the situation by prosecuting those that use money to get their children in these prestigiousschools. Extremely upsetting though to see which coaches buckled under the dirty influence of money. Pay to get your child into school = not a scandal Pay to get your child on an a varsity roster = a scandal its not? They are still paying to get their kid into a university that the kid didn't qualify for.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 11:21:46 GMT -5
Actually Africa does have some notable institutions of higher learning, debatable whether they are of the same caliber as Harvard or Standard or Oxford or Cambridge in the West, but they do have distinguished faculty members and alumni. The University of Cape Town and the University of the Witwatersrand are both quite respected in Africa and globally, with Nobel laureates in their faculties. The problem is not just higher education, but overall governance in these African countries that is the issue. Endemic corruption, lack of accountability to the common people and personal enrichment at the expense of the country are common problems. Africa, at one time, had some of the world's best universities. Scholars from all over the world traveled to Timbuktu to study at Sankore. It is not quite as old as Oxford, but nearly so. However, it lost luster as the civilization that created it was conquered several times over several hundred years. Despite several civil wars, England was not conquered from outside after Oxford was founded, which may be the reason it remains as one of the world's great universities. Nor has Massachusetts been conquered since Harvard was founded. But it is true that Africa today does not have many of the world's great universities. The highest ranked African university in the ARWU is Witwatersrand, which is ranked "201-300". In contrast, the ARWU ranks Harvard #1 in the world. (Harvard, Stanford, Cambridge, and MIT are 1,2,3,4 -- and three of the four are located in cities named "Cambridge".) And there may be some irony in your post if the Stanford myth is true... The first case of a parent buying their kid's way into Stanford after Harvard declined him?
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Post by Wolfgang on Mar 17, 2019 13:51:56 GMT -5
When I was in high school, I learned somehow (books? Peers? Teachers? Can’t remember...) that you should apply to a couple “super tough” schools, a couple “tough but reachable” schools, and a couple “safety” schools. So I did. My parents didn’t have the means to bribe the parking garage valet, much less a college admissions administrator. I assumed everyone did it this way.
So, with 3 kids of my own, we did it the same way, except we expanded to 7 schools — 2 tough, 2 reachable, and 3 safety. I helped my kids but ultimately, I allowed them to make the final decision because I held them accountable for everything. My son was going to study engineering w/ a possibility of changing majors to biology or physics. He ended up at one of the “tough admissions” schools at Duke but he (and I) would’ve been just as happy if he chose one of his safety schools, like Cal Berkeley or Texas. I think problems come up when you think of “dream schools” at the expense of all else, just like people who think there’s such a thing as a “soul mate.” You can be enormously happy at one of hundreds of schools just like you could be enormously happy with someone other than your current wife/gf/so. It’s f***ed up to think you HAVE to go to THAT school or find your soulmate and marry THAT girl/guy.
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Post by azvb on Mar 17, 2019 14:41:58 GMT -5
I’ve been wondering how/why the water polo and soccer coaches from USC were involved. Didn’t Donna Heinel do all the dirty work?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 14:59:09 GMT -5
I’ve been wondering how/why the water polo and soccer coaches from USC were involved. Did Donna Heinel do all the dirty work? I was wondering if Donna was where it all started. The WF coach (as pointed out by another poster) also was at USC Men's VB before WF. An awful lot of the first batch of charges (~50 of the 750) all revolve around Donna and USC.
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Post by brooselee on Mar 17, 2019 16:36:08 GMT -5
I’ve been wondering how/why the water polo and soccer coaches from USC were involved. Didn’t Donna Heinel do all the dirty work? Maybe they knew what had happened and allowed it to happen. They probably won't get jail time but they did lose their job and have their reputations tainted. They did take money "under the table" so they could have been guilty in that sense.
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Post by vbjustice on Mar 17, 2019 19:00:16 GMT -5
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Post by Wolfgang on Mar 17, 2019 19:13:32 GMT -5
"Rich people are going to do rich people things." LOL!
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Post by ned3vball on Mar 17, 2019 19:24:47 GMT -5
We are 34 pages into this thing and the old adage "give people an inch and they will take a mile" is starting to kick in big time. I guess we should be not surprised that an article like this was written. I think it is mostly complete BS. Take egregious example A, and connect it tangentially to your agenda item B, and swing away. The way of the world these days.
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Post by holidayhusker on Mar 17, 2019 19:30:44 GMT -5
We are 34 pages into this thing and the old adage "give people an inch and they will take a mile" is starting to kick in big time. I guess we should be not surprised that an article like this was written. I think it is mostly complete BS. Take egregious example A, and connect it tangentially to your agenda item B, and swing away. The way of the world these days. Everyone loves to be outraged these days.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Mar 17, 2019 19:37:56 GMT -5
The “hot takes” are getting really boring, like that HuffPo article.
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