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Post by stevehorn on Apr 18, 2019 7:14:35 GMT -5
So, let's say it's late May/early June and all the paperwork and NLIs have been squared away and the student-athlete-to-be has just graduated from high school. How early can this student-athlete-to-be register for classes? Can they register for summer classes in, say, late May or early June? If so, can they be on scholarship? Generally speaking, how does the scholarship money work in the summers? If they take classes, are they funded via their full scholarship? Or would that have to be covered some other way? Registration dates would be school specific. In the headcount (full scholarship) sports, athletes would be on scholarship in the summer. Don't know how it works in the sports where most of the athletes are on partial scholarships.
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Post by n00b on Apr 18, 2019 9:30:18 GMT -5
So, let's say it's late May/early June and all the paperwork and NLIs have been squared away and the student-athlete-to-be has just graduated from high school. How early can this student-athlete-to-be register for classes? Can they register for summer classes in, say, late May or early June? If so, can they be on scholarship? As soon as they graduate from high school, they can go on athletic scholarship to cover their summer classes. Every think is allowed to be covered but it depends on the funding level of the program. I'm sure everything is covered at SEC schools. Smaller schools (even some very successful ones) might only cover classes but not housing, or nothing at all. Some schools have a limited pool of money set aside for summer classes so if you have an athlete that needs to take them to be eligible or graduate in time, they'll get covered but not everybody.
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Post by ned3vball on Apr 18, 2019 9:47:03 GMT -5
So, let's say it's late May/early June and all the paperwork and NLIs have been squared away and the student-athlete-to-be has just graduated from high school. How early can this student-athlete-to-be register for classes? Can they register for summer classes in, say, late May or early June? If so, can they be on scholarship? Generally speaking, how does the scholarship money work in the summers? If they take classes, are they funded via their full scholarship? Or would that have to be covered some other way? Registration dates would be school specific. In the headcount (full scholarship) sports, athletes would be on scholarship in the summer. Don't know how it works in the sports where most of the athletes are on partial scholarships. Headcount does not imply full scholarship does it? If the program is not "fully funded" then each player gets 1/12th of the available funds? if they decide to only give out 8 scholarships then they each get 1/8th? Or do the awards not have to be equivalent, just no more than 12 awards?
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Post by cardinalvolleyball on Apr 18, 2019 10:03:00 GMT -5
Registration dates would be school specific. In the headcount (full scholarship) sports, athletes would be on scholarship in the summer.ย Don't know how it works in the sports where most of the athletes are on partial scholarships. Headcount does not imply full scholarship does it? If the program is not "fully funded" then each player gets 1/12th of the available funds? if they decide to only give out 8 scholarships then they each get 1/8th?ย Or do the awards not have to be equivalent, just no more than 12 awards? Head count means full
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Post by n00b on Apr 18, 2019 10:04:22 GMT -5
Registration dates would be school specific. In the headcount (full scholarship) sports, athletes would be on scholarship in the summer. Don't know how it works in the sports where most of the athletes are on partial scholarships. Headcount does not imply full scholarship does it? If the program is not "fully funded" then each player gets 1/12th of the available funds? if they decide to only give out 8 scholarships then they each get 1/8th? Or do the awards not have to be equivalent, just no more than 12 awards? No more than 12 athletes can get athletic scholarship money in a given year. If a school is funded for 8 scholarships, they can distribute those in a variety of ways: a) Give 8 players a full ride b) Give 12 players 75% c) Give 4 players full rides and 8 players 50% Or any other variation that doesn't give athletic dollars to more than 12 people. Each player could get a different amount.
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 18, 2019 11:00:46 GMT -5
Registration dates would be school specific. In the headcount (full scholarship) sports, athletes would be on scholarship in the summer. Don't know how it works in the sports where most of the athletes are on partial scholarships. Headcount does not imply full scholarship does it? If the program is not "fully funded" then each player gets 1/12th of the available funds? if they decide to only give out 8 scholarships then they each get 1/8th? Or do the awards not have to be equivalent, just no more than 12 awards?
Headcount doesn't guarantee full scholarship, but that is how most people think of it since it does mean that at most programs. As stated in a post below, each player that receives any amount of athletic financial aid is a counter in the "headcount sports", so in volleyball only 12 players can receive financial aid (typically a full scholarship).
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Post by deohge on Apr 18, 2019 14:28:57 GMT -5
Headcount does not imply full scholarship does it? If the program is not "fully funded" then each player gets 1/12th of the available funds? if they decide to only give out 8 scholarships then they each get 1/8th?ย Or do the awards not have to be equivalent, just no more than 12 awards? No more than 12 athletes can get athletic scholarship money in a given year. If a school is funded for 8 scholarships, they can distribute those in a variety of ways: a) Give 8 players a full ride b) Give 12 players 75% c) Give 4 players full rides and 8 players 50% Or any other variation that doesn't give athletic dollars to more than 12 people. Each player could get a different amount. Very interesting. Didn't know that is how it worked.
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Post by oldman on Apr 18, 2019 14:34:54 GMT -5
No more than 12 athletes can get athletic scholarship money in a given year. If a school is funded for 8 scholarships, they can distribute those in a variety of ways: a) Give 8 players a full ride b) Give 12 players 75% c) Give 4 players full rides and 8 players 50% Or any other variation that doesn't give athletic dollars to more than 12 people. Each player could get a different amount. Very interesting. Didn't know that is how it worked. That is exactly how it works.
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Post by mojocooljojo on Apr 18, 2019 17:41:21 GMT -5
What determines how many scholarships are available in a given year? Is it directly related to the seniors who graduate? If a school awards an athlete with one year of a "full ride," is it common that they will receive the award for their remaining years if they perform as expected?
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Post by mintonetteman on Apr 18, 2019 18:30:17 GMT -5
It increases the number of hoops to get through and how long it takes to get through them. Most large institutions have a separate part of admissions that handles international admissions. Evaluating transcripts is more complicated and takes longer, not only because of a potential language barrier. I think that the general rule is that the student is responsible for obtaining a certified English translation of their transcript. The Clearinghouse/compliance piece generally takes longer since most other countries have a very different set of relationships between athletics and academics. Unless there is an AD over admissions who can pull strings, create/forge information, stuff like that. ๐๐๐ There are some JCs and NAIA schools that are historically good at doing that!!!
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Post by stevehorn on Apr 18, 2019 18:38:09 GMT -5
What determines how many scholarships are available in a given year? Is it directly related to the seniors who graduate? If a school awards an athlete with one year of a "full ride," is it common that they will receive the award for their remaining years if they perform as expected? In D1 volleyball, a team can have a maximum of 12 players on scholarship. Most programs will utilize all 12 ships every year. Therefore new ships for a year are primarily generated by players graduating, transferring, or any other form of attrition.
If a player is recruited on a 4-year ship offer, typically she will retain that ship throughout her career. However some players are recruited with an offer of fewer than 4 scholarship years. Also on occasion a team will end up with an open scholarship for a year (usually due to unexpected attrition) and award that ship to a walk-on for that year, but only that year.
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Post by pancakes on Apr 19, 2019 9:17:52 GMT -5
Is there a list somewhere of what D1 schools have volleyball as a headcount sport? Just curious.
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Post by trainermch on Apr 19, 2019 9:25:10 GMT -5
So, let's say it's late May/early June and all the paperwork and NLIs have been squared away and the student-athlete-to-be has just graduated from high school. How early can this student-athlete-to-be register for classes? Can they register for summer classes in, say, late May or early June? If so, can they be on scholarship? As soon as they graduate from high school, they can go on athletic scholarship to cover their summer classes. Every think is allowed to be covered but it depends on the funding level of the program. I'm sure everything is covered at SEC schools. Smaller schools (even some very successful ones) might only cover classes but not housing, or nothing at all. Some schools have a limited pool of money set aside for summer classes so if you have an athlete that needs to take them to be eligible or graduate in time, they'll get covered but not everybody. I am curious about the SEC reference. Is the conference unique in this respect? It is the only one I have experience with, so I wouldn't know about others. I assumed in fully funded programs across the nation, especially P5's, that it would be the same.
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Post by sisyphus on Apr 19, 2019 16:15:29 GMT -5
Is there a list somewhere of what D1 schools have volleyball as a headcount sport? Just curious. By NCAA bylaw, all Women's Division I VB is a headcount sport. NCAA makes the determination by sport rather than by school. That doesn't mean that every school is "fully funded" meaning that they have the budget for 12 full scholarships. By NCAA bylaw, all Men's Division I or II VB and all Women's Division VB are equivalency sports. Budget limits differ. If you were asking how many Division I institutions offer Women's VB, I think the number is currently 334.
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Post by n00b on Apr 19, 2019 17:22:03 GMT -5
As soon as they graduate from high school, they can go on athletic scholarship to cover their summer classes. Every think is allowed to be covered but it depends on the funding level of the program. I'm sure everything is covered at SEC schools. Smaller schools (even some very successful ones) might only cover classes but not housing, or nothing at all. Some schools have a limited pool of money set aside for summer classes so if you have an athlete that needs to take them to be eligible or graduate in time, they'll get covered but not everybody. I am curious about the SEC reference. Is the conference unique in this respect? It is the only one I have experience with, so I wouldn't know about others. I assumed in fully funded programs across the nation, especially P5's, that it would be the same. Generically, SEC schools have the most money and the fewest sports to spend that money on. Iโd think theyโre most likely to have no issue funding both classes and housing year-round for athletes. There are some poorly-funded Power 5s. (Rutgers comes to mind)
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