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Post by volleyguy on Jun 29, 2019 12:15:06 GMT -5
There's no Extra Credit for doing the obvious. But she’s no longer completely f*cking up and that deserves a lil back pat Don't get soft. We need you to power through this.
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Post by azvb on Jun 29, 2019 12:16:59 GMT -5
Would you take Foluke over Courtney? I don’t know much about Courtney as an OH. Just wondering if someone is needed to “fill in” at OH which would you want? Or, use Jordan Larson as a fill in at OH/L. Wish Karch would have played her at L in Russia. I knew after I wrote that I was fairly unclear on my meaning, but was too lazy to edit I meant that between Lake and Courtney (If I was forced to choose one), I would choose Courtney due to versatility on a small roster. But, I also agreed that I think they'll both end up off the roster and Robinson will be the Libero. So, sorry about that. I agree that Larson would provide added emergency depth at Libero. Evidently, so can MBH and Foecke So, call them OH or Ls, but I think you take no fewer than 4, possibly as many as 5: MBH, Hill, Larson, Robinson and Foecke if you want 5. Or, take the top 4 and assume Robinson is Libero, but bring a 3rd OPP who could, in a pinch, flex to OH. REally, this is all more of a, "Plan for the worst. Hope for the best" kind of roster construction thinking Ahhh, okay, got it. Although Mary Lake was a stellar outside in High School I hear 😉. If she wasn’t such a great libero, I’d give her a shot as a setter for BYU.
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 29, 2019 12:30:42 GMT -5
Would you take Foluke over Courtney? I don’t know much about Courtney as an OH. Just wondering if someone is needed to “fill in” at OH which would you want? Or, use Jordan Larson as a fill in at OH/L. Wish Karch would have played her at L in Russia. I knew after I wrote that I was fairly unclear on my meaning, but was too lazy to edit I meant that between Lake and Courtney (If I was forced to choose one), I would choose Courtney due to versatility on a small roster. But, I also agreed that I think they'll both end up off the roster and Robinson will be the Libero. So, sorry about that. I agree that Larson would provide added emergency depth at Libero. Evidently, so can MBH and Foecke So, call them OH or Ls, but I think you take no fewer than 4, possibly as many as 5: MBH, Hill, Larson, Robinson and Foecke if you want 5. Or, take the top 4 and assume Robinson is Libero, but bring a 3rd OPP who could, in a pinch, flex to OH. REally, this is all more of a, "Plan for the worst. Hope for the best" kind of roster construction thinking Our challenge is not our versatility. Our problem is matching up position-wise to the highest level of other teams.
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Post by akbar on Jun 29, 2019 12:39:57 GMT -5
Outsides (4): Michelle Bartsch-Hackley, Mikaela Foecke, Jordan Larson, Kelsey Robinson Opposites (2): Annie Drews, Jordan Thompson Middles (4): Tori Dixon, Chiaka Ogbogu, Dana Rettke, Haleigh Washington Setters (2): Lauren Carlini, Jordyn Poulter Liberos (2): Megan Courtney, Mary Lake May never see Lloyd and Gibbemeyer in a USA jersey again. This is a big and physical team with some nasty servers. Where does Hill fit in?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 12:40:49 GMT -5
I knew after I wrote that I was fairly unclear on my meaning, but was too lazy to edit I meant that between Lake and Courtney (If I was forced to choose one), I would choose Courtney due to versatility on a small roster. But, I also agreed that I think they'll both end up off the roster and Robinson will be the Libero. So, sorry about that. I agree that Larson would provide added emergency depth at Libero. Evidently, so can MBH and Foecke So, call them OH or Ls, but I think you take no fewer than 4, possibly as many as 5: MBH, Hill, Larson, Robinson and Foecke if you want 5. Or, take the top 4 and assume Robinson is Libero, but bring a 3rd OPP who could, in a pinch, flex to OH. REally, this is all more of a, "Plan for the worst. Hope for the best" kind of roster construction thinking Our challenge is not our versatility. Our problem is matching up position-wise to the highest level of other teams. Not disagreeing with this, either. I think my comments were spending way too much time discussing the last 2 or 3 roster spots and how to use them. If those 2 or 3 roster spots were players we would be able to use to match up to the highest level of other teams, this wouldn't be a discussion. I like Foecke, for instance, but at this point in time her inclusion on an Olympic roster would be for depth rather than being expected to carry the load at OH. It becomes a question of do you bring her along for her hammer? Or, can you manage without her part-time hammer in favor of someone who may be able to fill in at several spots, if needed, better than she can even if they don't have her arm?
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 29, 2019 12:56:52 GMT -5
Our challenge is not our versatility. Our problem is matching up position-wise to the highest level of other teams. Not disagreeing with this, either. I think my comments were spending way too much time discussing the last 2 or 3 roster spots and how to use them. If those 2 or 3 roster spots were players we would be able to use to match up to the highest level of other teams, this wouldn't be a discussion. I like Foecke, for instance, but at this point in time her inclusion on an Olympic roster would be for depth rather than being expected to carry the load at OH. It becomes a question of do you bring her along for her hammer? Or, can you manage without her part-time hammer in favor of someone who may be able to fill in at several spots, if needed, better than she can even if they don't have her arm? To a certain extent, that's simply re-arranging deck chairs .... Neither Larson, Hill or Robinson is likely to be the hammer(s) we need. Ditto for Drews or the current iteration of Lowe. MBH is doing well, but can she carry this team? I have real doubts about that. Foecke and Thompson have potential, but they will each have to make a quantum leap between now and 2020 to be in a position to make a difference in Tokyo.
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Post by vup on Jun 29, 2019 13:02:45 GMT -5
Gotta hand it to Karch for cutting Lloyd. I can imagine that was the toughest decision to make.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 13:05:09 GMT -5
Not disagreeing with this, either. I think my comments were spending way too much time discussing the last 2 or 3 roster spots and how to use them. If those 2 or 3 roster spots were players we would be able to use to match up to the highest level of other teams, this wouldn't be a discussion. I like Foecke, for instance, but at this point in time her inclusion on an Olympic roster would be for depth rather than being expected to carry the load at OH. It becomes a question of do you bring her along for her hammer? Or, can you manage without her part-time hammer in favor of someone who may be able to fill in at several spots, if needed, better than she can even if they don't have her arm? To a certain extent, that's simply re-arranging deck chairs .... Neither Larson, Hill or Robinson is likely to be the hammer(s) we need. Ditto for Drews or the current iteration of Lowe. MBH is doing well, but can she carry this team? I have real doubts about that. Foecke and Thompson have potential, but they will each have to make a quantum leap between now and 2020 to be in a position to make a difference in Tokyo. I understand the concern. And share it, sadly. And, yes, I am re-arranging deck chairs. Be really nice to have an Egonu to bail us out. Our strength has appeared to be our middles. I guess we can start there and work around that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 13:10:19 GMT -5
Outsides (4): Michelle Bartsch-Hackley, Mikaela Foecke, Jordan Larson, Kelsey Robinson Opposites (2): Annie Drews, Jordan Thompson Middles (4): Tori Dixon, Chiaka Ogbogu, Dana Rettke, Haleigh Washington Setters (2): Lauren Carlini, Jordyn Poulter Liberos (2): Megan Courtney, Mary Lake I wish Hancock would've made the final roster, but am glad Poulter is there over Lloyd. Otherwise, very solid roster imo. This could be the 14 person World Cup Roster too, right? Assuming Karch brings his best available (which would exclude Rettke, Lake, and Thompson if she returns to college.) With that said, I think Foluke, Hill, and Lowe would replace those three and Robinson moving to Libero again.
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Post by huskerjen on Jun 29, 2019 13:10:41 GMT -5
Not disagreeing with this, either. I think my comments were spending way too much time discussing the last 2 or 3 roster spots and how to use them. If those 2 or 3 roster spots were players we would be able to use to match up to the highest level of other teams, this wouldn't be a discussion. I like Foecke, for instance, but at this point in time her inclusion on an Olympic roster would be for depth rather than being expected to carry the load at OH. It becomes a question of do you bring her along for her hammer? Or, can you manage without her part-time hammer in favor of someone who may be able to fill in at several spots, if needed, better than she can even if they don't have her arm? To a certain extent, that's simply re-arranging deck chairs .... Neither Larson, Hill or Robinson is likely to be the hammer(s) we need. Ditto for Drews or the current iteration of Lowe. MBH is doing well, but can she carry this team? I have real doubts about that. Foecke and Thompson have potential, but they will each have to make a quantum leap between now and 2020 to be in a position to make a difference in Tokyo. Foecke might have Carlini setting her in Italy and has a history of developing quickly, so I'm optimistic (and biased). Thompson needs to forgo her redshirt senior season and sign a pro contract for the fall. I really want both in Tokyo. We need terminal arms and OOS kills.
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 29, 2019 13:16:28 GMT -5
To a certain extent, that's simply re-arranging deck chairs .... Neither Larson, Hill or Robinson is likely to be the hammer(s) we need. Ditto for Drews or the current iteration of Lowe. MBH is doing well, but can she carry this team? I have real doubts about that. Foecke and Thompson have potential, but they will each have to make a quantum leap between now and 2020 to be in a position to make a difference in Tokyo. Foecke might have Carlini setting her in Italy and has a history of developing quickly, so I'm optimistic (and biased). Thompson needs to forgo her redshirt senior season and sign a pro contract for the fall. I really want both in Tokyo. We need terminal arms and OOS kills. She's got some heat, but I think Foecke might have to get worse to get better. May not have enough time before Tokyo to make a difference. I think Thompson has a clearer path. Hopefully, she sees it.
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Post by Disc808 on Jun 29, 2019 13:24:00 GMT -5
I wish the US Women had the luxury of quality OHs, who can pass and bring the hammer, that the men have
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jun 29, 2019 13:35:15 GMT -5
Gotta hand it to Karch for cutting Lloyd. I can imagine that was the toughest decision to make. Is it considered a cut in the sense where shes not better than both the setters? Like if Hill and Foluke weren't available, would this be considered the "A" team or is Karch still just playing around with the roster?
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Post by aps987 on Jun 29, 2019 13:38:20 GMT -5
Can we please bring back the posters who actually provided thoughtfulness and insight to the board? Y'all don't think that Karch may be giving an opportunity for younger players to develop this tournament (like SO MANY OF YOU BEMOAN)?
You also don't think that some of the more Veteran players may have had commitments? From their social media accounts I'm guessing that Hill, Lowe, and Akinradewo had major personal events happen/happening that may inhibit their abilities to be on these rosters. THEY ARE REAL PEOPLE TOO.
Expect the Veteran players to be on the World Cup and Olympic rosters. If I'm Karch and I want to win GOLD I am not going to take a player that has shown promise during one of the weakest tournaments of the year (with European teams sending B/C teams). I am taking my players who I know can deliver and have been in that environment before.
I fully anticipate Akinradewo, Lowe, Lloyd, and Hill to be on every roster going forward.
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Post by volleyguy on Jun 29, 2019 13:51:57 GMT -5
Can we please bring back the posters who actually provided thoughtfulness and insight to the board? Y'all don't think that Karch may be giving an opportunity for younger players to develop this tournament (like SO MANY OF YOU BEMOAN)? You also don't think that some of the more Veteran players may have had commitments? From their social media accounts I'm guessing that Hill, Lowe, and Akinradewo had major personal events happen/happening that may inhibit their abilities to be on these rosters. THEY ARE REAL PEOPLE TOO. Expect the Veteran players to be on the World Cup and Olympic rosters. If I'm Karch and I want to win GOLD I am not going to take a player that has shown promise during one of the weakest tournaments of the year (with European teams sending B/C teams). I am taking my players who I know can deliver and have been in that environment before. I fully anticipate Akinradewo, Lowe, Lloyd, and Hill to be on every roster going forward. Foluke and Hill clearly are taking a break. Lloyd and Lowe were clearly both available, and neither distinguished themselves vis a vis the newbies. I wouldn't conclude that they are being cut or out of the picture, but they certainly didn't help themselves.
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