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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 30, 2019 19:32:57 GMT -5
Let me see if I understand this correctly. We assume that Karch just didn’t like her for whatever reason. What if she simply wasn’t coachable by him. What if Jordan, Foluke, Christa and Courtney T were not ok with her attitude and were perhaps not going to come back to the team so he had to make a tough decision?
I guess what I mean is......what do we KNOW about her leaving the team? Has she ever given a public statement about it?
My point is that we shouldn’t vilify anyone until we have CONCRETE evidence.
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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 30, 2019 19:35:14 GMT -5
Also this thread is getting off topic. Clearly at this point she will not be coming back and will likely retire soon as she is now what? 32? 33?
Time for EVERYONE to move on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 21:44:07 GMT -5
What we KNOW about Hooker leaving the team is that someone who was hired to manage and lead a group of professional female athletes was incapable and unable to do so. We also KNOW that Hooker was being abused by her ex-husband during the 2012 quad, emotionally, mentally, and financially. Further, we KNOW that Hooker was (arguably) the most exciting, dynamic, explosive athlete playing volleyball in the world at that time, but might have been a little immature and in need of some guidance growing up.
If Kiraly let a clique form within the holdovers from the London quad and allowed that clique to influence decisions about who should represent this country, who is worth investing in, etc., he should be fired immediately. One of the most important aspects of his job was personnel management; he was supposed to be building bridges with our nation's greatest talents, not burning them. He was completely and totally unqualified to do the job he was hired for. He had absolutely no experience running a program of professional athletes, and, because of his own personal/emotional shortcomings, his lack of communication skills, and his socially-awkward personality, he made mistakes that has and will reverberate into future quads.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 21:54:23 GMT -5
Google translate got me this: My main concern is whether Fawcett announced leaving the NT on her own terms, or if she "no longer needed". She did not make the decision. It was made for her, and she was completely blindsided before practice on a Monday before Rio.
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Post by vup on Apr 30, 2019 21:59:38 GMT -5
Let me see if I understand this correctly. We assume that Karch just didn’t like her for whatever reason. What if she simply wasn’t coachable by him. What if Jordan, Foluke, Christa and Courtney T were not ok with her attitude and were perhaps not going to come back to the team so he had to make a tough decision? I guess what I mean is......what do we KNOW about her leaving the team? Has she ever given a public statement about it? My point is that we shouldn’t vilify anyone until we have CONCRETE evidence. There's not a lot of concrete arguments but both parties (or maybe one) aren't open to discussion. Unless there is a compromise, everything to know is being swept under the rug like it never happened. Karch is coaching around an elephant. Do you know how hard it is to play volleyball with an elephant on the court?
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Post by vup on Apr 30, 2019 22:00:00 GMT -5
Google translate got me this: My main concern is whether Fawcett announced leaving the NT on her own terms, or if she "no longer needed". She did not make the decision. It was made for her, and she was completely blindsided before practice on a Monday before Rio. As suspected.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 22:23:12 GMT -5
Like JESUS, how brainwashed do you have to be to say this??
He's GIVING you the RIGHT to start a family?!?!?! Like, what??
Fun fact: bringing her child and husband to practices is the "rule violation" that led to Hooker's dismissal.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 30, 2019 22:32:41 GMT -5
What if Jordan, Foluke, Christa and Courtney T were not ok with her attitude and were perhaps not going to come back to the team so he had to make a tough decision? Sounds pretty bratty.
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Post by Fight On! on Apr 30, 2019 22:36:54 GMT -5
I have heard that Nicole Davis was a total bitch. Was she dismissed for “not fitting?”
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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 30, 2019 23:33:03 GMT -5
To be clear....I was merely posing a question. I do not care to dwell on the past. Yes personal management is part of the package when coaching. I guess it is a fine line between going with the needs of the many over the needs of the few. If Karch did indeed neglect her because he simply didn’t want to coach her then that is indeed unfortunate and a huge short coming for him as a coach. However if she really was disrespectful and a detriment to the team and he felt she was not coachable then this is again an unfortunate occurrence as he did not feel apt enough to continue to invite her to train with the team. I don’t really condone either choice....but he made a choice and the team moved on to win it’s first major international Gold medal in 2014. Now clearly things didn’t go to plan in 2016 or really any year since. Would better results have come if Hooker was still on the team....who knows? I have to hope that if I were in his position and with her being such a talented player I would do everything I could to keep her in the gym.....but as you say....Karch is an awkward guy with no resume as a coach before serving as assistant to Hugh for the London Quad and clearly didn’t want her there for whatever reason. It sadly is what it is. So he will do whatever he can in these next two international seasons and then, pending “results” might move on to something else.
I’m not president of his fan club but honestly I’m really over this debate over why she isn’t in the gym. She will likely never return to the team. And she will likely retire after a few more professional seasons.
Time to face facts. Not trying to offend anyone just sharing my thoughts.
Can we get this thread back on topic now?
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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 30, 2019 23:39:29 GMT -5
What if Jordan, Foluke, Christa and Courtney T were not ok with her attitude and were perhaps not going to come back to the team so he had to make a tough decision? Sounds pretty bratty. It’s real life though. Like I don’t know if this is what really went down but hypothetically if one player isn’t meshing with the team....you should do whatever you can to work it out but in the end if the teams practice/training environment is toxic how beneficial is the time that is being spent? Regardless of talent level.....be professional and act like adults. I suppose a counter argument could be that she could have been bullied off the team? And all of these precious former teammates could have turned on her in which case she has to be sippin martinis watching the team scrape by for bronze medals 🤷🏻♂️ To clarify this scenario is hypothetical. I have no evidence to support this. Just an example.
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Post by ToddyJ on Apr 30, 2019 23:42:53 GMT -5
I have heard that Nicole Davis was a total bitch. Was she dismissed for “not fitting?” If I am correct she was back-up Libero in 2014 so she got her Gold Medal. But I don’t know if she just aged out at that point or if Karch chose to go in a different direction with Banwarth?
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Post by Reach on May 1, 2019 0:12:09 GMT -5
Didn’t Nicole Davis day some nasty nasty about Logan Tom and Hooker?
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Post by VBCOACH on May 1, 2019 1:18:51 GMT -5
Some of you are confusing "running a program" with "coaching a team." True, Karch does both, but they are two separate jobs. Now, say someone is creating a toxic environment in the program, and it is affecting Karch AND the team, and does not respond to efforts to fit into the program. Then you cut that person, like a cancerous growth, regardless of how good she is as an individual. This is a team sport. The individual submits herself to the program, also known as being a good teammate.
This is what I suspect happened.
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Post by Disc808 on May 1, 2019 2:11:13 GMT -5
Some of you are confusing "running a program" with "coaching a team." True, Karch does both, but they are two separate jobs. Now, say someone is creating a toxic environment in the program, and it is affecting Karch AND the team, and does not respond to efforts to fit into the program. Then you cut that person, like a cancerous growth, regardless of how good she is as an individual. This is a team sport. The individual submits herself to the program, also known as being a good teammate. This is what I suspect happened. Did Karch give her a chance like you’re suggesting?
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