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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 20:49:02 GMT -5
I started a new thread because this doesn't just concern NCAA coaches and I didn't want to put this in Off the Net because I think it's important for our community to be updated about coaches that violate the governing codes of conduct (sex misconduct mostly, but other offenses are tracked). I'll add Canadian info shortly, each province keeps their own list, but apparently Ontario is the only one keeping tabs openly. USAV Suspension List (Scroll Right to see nature of violation) www.teamusa.org/usa-volleyball/about-us/safesport/suspended-listCanada-Ontario (Scroll down the page) www.ontariovolleyball.org/code-of-conduct
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 20:50:32 GMT -5
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Post by ironhammer on May 11, 2019 20:55:05 GMT -5
I started a new thread because this doesn't just concern NCAA coaches and I didn't want to put this in Off the Net because I think it's important for our community to be updated about coaches that have sexual relations with their athletes. I'll add Canadian info shortly, each province keeps their own list. USAV Suspension List www.teamusa.org/usa-volleyball/about-us/safesport/suspended-listImportant thread, but also a depressing thread. One needs to call these people out, but it seem to gives off an impression that many coaches are sleazy perverts. I don't know, maybe a lot of them are or most of them are not, but it is kind of a downer to read the ugly side of human nature all the time. Sigh...
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Post by vbjustice on May 11, 2019 21:03:06 GMT -5
I started a new thread because this doesn't just concern NCAA coaches and I didn't want to put this in Off the Net because I think it's important for our community to be updated about coaches that have sexual relations with their athletes. I'll add Canadian info shortly, each province keeps their own list. USAV Suspension List www.teamusa.org/usa-volleyball/about-us/safesport/suspended-listImportant thread, but also a depressing thread. One needs to call these people out, but it seem to gives off an impression that many coaches are sleazy perverts. I don't know, maybe a lot of them are or most of them are not, but it is kind of a downer to read the ugly side of human nature all the time. Sigh... More than you know. In my area alone, 2 different cases confirmed, each within 10 miles of each other. Two different sports. Makes you wonder about the cases that go unreported. Also wondering....Would it be helpful if they were to add the sex offenders resident city to this list?
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Post by ironhammer on May 11, 2019 21:16:49 GMT -5
Important thread, but also a depressing thread. One needs to call these people out, but it seem to gives off an impression that many coaches are sleazy perverts. I don't know, maybe a lot of them are or most of them are not, but it is kind of a downer to read the ugly side of human nature all the time. Sigh... More than you know. In my area alone, 2 different cases confirmed, each within 10 miles of each other. Two different sports. Makes you wonder about the cases that go unreported. Also wondering....Would it be helpful if they were to add the sex offenders resident city to this list? It goes against college policy and regulation (not to mention it's a moral transgression and violation of trust), but I am not 100% sure of the legality. It has to be a crime for someone to be listed in the sex offender list. But if the athlete is a college player, who is 18 or over and it's consensual, then it might be in a legal grey area. Don't get me wrong, such conduct must be condemned, but in the strict technical legal sense, I'm not sure it qualifes for the sex offender list. So that means High School coaches are the most likely group to get named on the list, sex with college players might be a slightly more complicated situation.
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Post by vbjustice on May 11, 2019 21:38:26 GMT -5
More than you know. In my area alone, 2 different cases confirmed, each within 10 miles of each other. Two different sports. Makes you wonder about the cases that go unreported. Also wondering....Would it be helpful if they were to add the sex offenders resident city to this list? It goes against college policy and regulation (not to mention it's a moral transgression and violation of trust), but I am not 100% sure of the legality. It has to be a crime for someone to be listed in the sex offender list. But if the athlete is a college player, who is 18 or over and it's consensual, then it might be in a legal grey area. Don't get me wrong, such conduct must be condemned, but in the strict technical legal sense, I'm not sure it qualifes for the sex offender list. So that means High School coaches are the most likely group to get named on the list, sex with college players might be a slightly more complicated situation. The list posted is just college coaches? I was under the impression it was high school and/or club coaches.
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Post by ironhammer on May 11, 2019 21:40:52 GMT -5
It goes against college policy and regulation (not to mention it's a moral transgression and violation of trust), but I am not 100% sure of the legality. It has to be a crime for someone to be listed in the sex offender list. But if the athlete is a college player, who is 18 or over and it's consensual, then it might be in a legal grey area. Don't get me wrong, such conduct must be condemned, but in the strict technical legal sense, I'm not sure it qualifes for the sex offender list. So that means High School coaches are the most likely group to get named on the list, sex with college players might be a slightly more complicated situation. The list posted is just college coaches? I was under the impression it was high school and/or club coaches. Oh no, I was trying to distinguish two simliar but not identical situations where one would could possibly met the "requirements" to be named on the sex offender list (convicted of having sex with minor) and other...is a a bit more uncertain.
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Post by volleyguy on May 11, 2019 21:42:05 GMT -5
It goes against college policy and regulation (not to mention it's a moral transgression and violation of trust), but I am not 100% sure of the legality. It has to be a crime for someone to be listed in the sex offender list. But if the athlete is a college player, who is 18 or over and it's consensual, then it might be in a legal grey area. Don't get me wrong, such conduct must be condemned, but in the strict technical legal sense, I'm not sure it qualifes for the sex offender list. So that means High School coaches are the most likely group to get named on the list, sex with college players might be a slightly more complicated situation. The list posted is just college coaches? I was under the impression it was high school and/or club coaches. The list is only for coaches under the jurisdiction of USA Volleyball, which means club coaches (who may also happen to be college or HS coaches).
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Post by ironhammer on May 11, 2019 21:48:13 GMT -5
It goes against college policy and regulation (not to mention it's a moral transgression and violation of trust), but I am not 100% sure of the legality. It has to be a crime for someone to be listed in the sex offender list. But if the athlete is a college player, who is 18 or over and it's consensual, then it might be in a legal grey area. Don't get me wrong, such conduct must be condemned, but in the strict technical legal sense, I'm not sure it qualifes for the sex offender list. So that means High School coaches are the most likely group to get named on the list, sex with college players might be a slightly more complicated situation. The list posted is just college coaches? I was under the impression it was high school and/or club coaches. To be named on the sex offender list, most states based it on the offense committed. There are some states that compile the list based on actuarial risk (that is, the risk of committing the same or similiar offense of a sexual nature after being released) rather than simply the offense itself. Some studies have shown a sex offender list based on the risk of re-offending, rather than the offense itself, is more effective at preventing a convicted sex offender from re-offending. But that would probably require a lot more resources to track the behavior and record of the convict, resources that may not be there. And the public would probably not tolerate a sex offender living in their mist, even if the risk of them re-committing the offense is small, they will not accept the risk.
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Post by vbjustice on May 11, 2019 21:53:16 GMT -5
The list posted is just college coaches? I was under the impression it was high school and/or club coaches. To be named on the sex offender list, most states based it on the offense committed. There are some states that compile the list based on actuarial risk (that is, the risk of committing the same or similiar offense of a sexual nature after being released after serving their jail sentences) rather than simply the offense itself. Some studies have shown a sex offender list based on the risk of re-offending, rather than the offense itself, is more effective at preventing a convicted sex offender from re-offending. But that would probably require a lot more resources to track the behavior and record of the convict, resources that may not be there. And the public would probably not tolerate a sex offender living in their mist, even if the risk of them re-committing the offense is small, they will not accept the risk. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 21:56:41 GMT -5
The list posted is just college coaches? I was under the impression it was high school and/or club coaches. No, not just college coaches. Backstory, I set up a feed in Google News to crawl for "volleyball coaches". I would get news regarding hiring, firing, retirement of volleyball coaches (all levels). In the last 4-5 years I had gotten more than usual news of inappropriate contact with minors in my feed. With the USAV list that's online now, I thought it might be a good way to keep tabs on these coaches with either news of jail sentencing or exoneration. Some of them may not even coach club, but I think it's important to keep this issue at the forefront. So no, this isn't meant to call out coaches at specific levels. The USAV governs club coaches, and some of them happen to coach collegiately.
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Post by vbjustice on May 11, 2019 22:10:43 GMT -5
The list posted is just college coaches? I was under the impression it was high school and/or club coaches. No, not just college coaches. Backstory, I set up a feed in Google News to crawl for "volleyball coaches". I would get news regarding hiring, firing, retirement of volleyball coaches (all levels). In the last 4-5 years I had gotten more than usual news of inappropriate contact with minors in my feed. With the USAV list that's online now, I thought it might be a good way to keep tabs on these coaches with either news of jail sentencing or exoneration. Some of them may not even coach club, but I think it's important to keep this issue at the forefront. So no, this isn't meant to call out coaches at specific levels. The USAV governs club coaches, and some of them happen to coach collegiately. This is important. Since you posted I Googled a few of the names and the details of the case, news articles, including location are on there. Troubling stuff. It’s good to have this at the forefront. Thanks for posting.
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Post by Not Me on May 12, 2019 7:45:16 GMT -5
And to note, just because someone is suspended by Safe Sport doesn’t mean that they cannot work in the ncaa or for a high school.
Does AAU use Safe Sport?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 8:42:03 GMT -5
And to note, just because someone is suspended by Safe Sport doesn’t mean that they cannot work in the ncaa or for a high school. Does AAU use Safe Sport? No mention of it. Their code of conduct image.aausports.org/pdf/AAU_Youth_Protection_Protection_Handbook_rev_713.pdf was recently updated. Interesting to read that there is no mandate to train coaches on AAU conduct policies. I am not a member, can anyone clarify that point? Maybe it comes up during the membership process, I have no idea.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on May 12, 2019 9:10:36 GMT -5
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