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Post by dunninla3 on Sept 14, 2019 13:19:31 GMT -5
Qualifying for beach volleyball has been flawed since the beginning when some guy named Christopher St John carried a hack named Carl Henkel to a 5th place finish at the Olympics in Atlanta.....now, with that said, I'm willing to bet many of the posers on here didn't even see the epic match between Smith/Henkel and Kiraly/Steffes.....still to me one of the all time classics on the beach. I would post a link to it, but the pricks at the IOC have decided to block it for copyright reasons (This video contains content from International Olympic Committee, who has blocked it on copyright grounds - @$$%*!*S). Anywho, my points here are many, and I'm correct so there is no need to debate it with me: 1) On paper, Sinjin and Henkel had NO BUSINESS being in the Olympics, yet the still almost pulled off playing for a medal, so I will never say no one who hasn't found a way to make the olympics doesn't deserve to be there (I mean we all pulled for Eddie the Eagle and the Jamaican Bobsled team). 2) The decision dating back to the start should have never EVER involved the FIVB. How they get to decide who plays in the Olympics and its process is grotesquely flawed. The US should have final say on who is going and the only way to really decide that is to have a play in prior to the Olympics to determine who is playing in peak form. This way, if someones heart isn't in it, you don't have to worry, they won't be there PLUS you get the best teams playing at that time. No team should be qualified 18 months prior to the Olympics, that is just idiotic. 3) In most other olympic qualifications it has always been the best US athlete versus the best US athlete for the spots on the US Olympic team....I don't think Michael Phelps making the team had anything with how he swam against the Aussies, or American sprinters running against Jamaicans, or US Gymnastic team being selected by how they fared against the Romanians....this should be an in country decision. Now my beef turns from the FIVB to the IOC and the USOC, and corruption - yes boys and girls, there is corruption at the IOC and the USOC which is why the Olympics is starting to lose its luster 4) Finally, and most importantly, if Phil has lost his fire and doesn't want to play that should be HIS decision, no one else....with that said don't be surprised if you see Nick and Phil get focused, real focused, and qualify, and then do pretty well - I'm not expecting them (or any American team) to medal, but I'm hoping for a good showing. Also, for what it is worth, I've been told Phil has had a bit of a nagging injury all summer. I lied, I'm not finished.....and changing topic a bit....I truly hope April Ross ends up getting the gold. She is the most deserving, has been the best US female player for nearly 9 years now, and is really deserving! Ok, I think this is my first post in a couple of years, I'm just getting warmed up for the rest of qualifying and the Olympics To points 2 & 3: the US has the final say on who is going. Actually, no. The US can only pick *among* teams qualified via the fivb olympic qualification criteria... meaning, between 9/1/2018 and 6/15/20 -- 1)participaing in 12 Olympic Qualifying events, AND: 1) winning Worlds, OR 3) Finaling in the Hiayung Olympic Qualifying tournament, OR 4) placing Top 18 (approx) in FIVB Olympic Qualifying Ranking points events. The US can't simply hold its own trials in May, 2020, and inform the FIVB who our one or two teams will be. I haven't read a single poster who thinks qualifying events from Fall 2018 should count the same as qualifying events from Spring 2020. It's simply idiotic. Whoever created this timeframe should be taken out into a field and shot. Sorry, I didn't really mean shot, but probably flayed like the house of Bolton does in Game of Thrones.
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Post by tafit on Sept 14, 2019 13:46:04 GMT -5
To points 2 & 3: the US has the final say on who is going. Actually, no. The US can only pick *among* teams qualified via the fivb olympic qualification criteria... meaning, between 9/1/2018 and 6/15/20 -- 1)participaing in 12 Olympic Qualifying events, AND: 1) winning Worlds, OR 3) Finaling in the Hiayung Olympic Qualifying tournament, OR 4) placing Top 18 (approx) in FIVB Olympic Qualifying Ranking points events. The US can't simply hold its own trials in May, 2020, and inform the FIVB who our one or two teams will be. I haven't read a single poster who thinks qualifying events from Fall 2018 should count the same as qualifying events from Spring 2020. It's simply idiotic. Whoever created this timeframe should be taken out into a field and shot. Sorry, I didn't really mean shot, but probably flayed like the house of Bolton does in Game of Thrones. Of course the federation has to choose among teams entitled to play the Olympic Games, but that applies for any sports if I am not mistaken. Swimmers for example have to have swum a certain time to be able to participate. Otherwise how are you going to decide how many spots a federation has? If Dalcena, Cribb and T2 meet the criteria the US federation could decide via trials...
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Post by ajm on Sept 14, 2019 13:53:01 GMT -5
To points 2 & 3: the US has the final say on who is going. Actually, no. The US can only pick *among* teams qualified via the fivb olympic qualification criteria... meaning, between 9/1/2018 and 6/15/20 -- 1)participaing in 12 Olympic Qualifying events, AND: 1) winning Worlds, OR 3) Finaling in the Hiayung Olympic Qualifying tournament, OR 4) placing Top 18 (approx) in FIVB Olympic Qualifying Ranking points events. The US can't simply hold its own trials in May, 2020, and inform the FIVB who our one or two teams will be. I believe the minimum of 12 Olympic Qualifying events applies to the individual athlete and not to the team. So USAV could hold its own trials in May among the players who are eligible for however many spots that have been earned (or likely to be earned) via the FIVB process. In theory, USAV could decide to award a spot to Phil and Taylor.
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Post by tamz on Sept 14, 2019 14:23:52 GMT -5
Why would USA send two of (who they think are) its best players as a team who’s never played together before to the Olympics? How do they know they’ll work out for sure?
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Post by guest2 on Sept 14, 2019 14:48:28 GMT -5
Why would USA send two of (who they think are) its best players as a team who’s never played together before to the Olympics? How do they know they’ll work out for sure? Perhaps knowing the alternative wont work amounts to the same thing
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Post by ajm on Sept 14, 2019 15:39:54 GMT -5
Why would USA send two of (who they think are) its best players as a team who’s never played together before to the Olympics? How do they know they’ll work out for sure? Perhaps knowing the alternative wont work amounts to the same thing Or just let them play a couple of events together before then to see how they do.
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Post by gr8ful on Sept 14, 2019 17:17:52 GMT -5
1) USAV and USOC should have final say on how teams are selected, personally I think this should be done via a tourney, or a few tournaments, that I'm still unsure of, but it should be done 3 months or so prior to the Olympics so our best teams go - whoever duninnla is, is correct, the person who put formatting schedule together should be shot....or thrown in jail for taking bribes 2) The system is IMHO flawed...as an example, I love Kerri Walsh, she is one of the greatest players of all time and has always been extremely cool...I believe she and Sweat currently sit in the #2 spot for US, and I personally think there are better teams out there than her and Sweat, but if they makes it more power to them! 3) Years ago, when the Olympics were a real joy to watch, it was about the athlete and events we never get to see on a regular basis, powerlifting (oh how I miss you Vasily Alekseyev), wrestling (who will ever forget Aleksandr Aleksandrovich Karelin vs Rulon Gardner), decathlon, water polo....now the focus is on advertising and $$$$$ - (i.e. the US better send our men's all star basketball team and show the world or else!)....these people qualified by winning national qualifying events, hell Gardner won the gold and wasn't even expected to make the team
I digress....simple summary the process is flawed
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Post by dunninla3 on Sept 14, 2019 19:46:15 GMT -5
The US can only pick *among* teams qualified via the fivb olympic qualification criteria... I believe the minimum of 12 Olympic Qualifying events applies to the individual athlete and not to the team. Yes, you're right. The USAV could theoretically split teams and recombine into different teams as long as each team member has played 12 events. That doesn't, however, address the 21 month qualification period which creates a host of other practical restrictions for players switching partners of their own initiative, say nine months out, in order to qualify.
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Post by ajm on Sept 14, 2019 22:57:10 GMT -5
The US indoor teams have qualified for the Olympics. However, it is likely that there will be changes to the rosters and even the starting lineups next year in order to maximize their chances of strong finishes in Tokyo. USAV should not hesitate to make similar changes to its Olympic beach teams.
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