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Post by Fight On! on Jun 19, 2020 16:40:15 GMT -5
Hello all, where are we at in getting a league together? I know there's still a lot of unknown with the development of Covid-19, but it looks like the season is more-or-less of a "go". Definitely think it's time to start preparing. Fight On! agean09I will talk to agean09 but I still think it’s unnecessarily early to get going on Fantasy 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 22:00:10 GMT -5
Hello all, where are we at in getting a league together? I know there's still a lot of unknown with the development of Covid-19, but it looks like the season is more-or-less of a "go". Definitely think it's time to start preparing. I will talk to agean09 but I still think it’s unnecessarily early to get going on Fantasy 2020. This thread was started on July 24th last season and the sign-up thread went up on the 15th.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 19, 2020 23:32:10 GMT -5
I will talk to agean09 but I still think it’s unnecessarily early to get going on Fantasy 2020. This thread was started on July 24th last season and the sign-up thread went up on the 15th. Just curious, When did you do all the rules and discuss the key elements/changes for the league from 2018 to 2019? The rules were pretty thorough , so I’d imagine you were in the middle of or at least working on the rules at this point in time last year Based on last year’s draft date (4 weeks before start of season) this years draft would begin July 31st. (Maybe it gets pushed back a week due to uncertainty this year?
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Post by vbprisoner on Jun 20, 2020 9:30:54 GMT -5
This thread was started on July 24th last season and the sign-up thread went up on the 15th. Just curious, When did you do all the rules and discuss the key elements/changes for the league from 2018 to 2019? The rules were pretty thorough , so I’d imagine you were in the middle of or at least working on the rules at this point in time last year Based on last year’s draft date (4 weeks before start of season) this years draft would begin July 31st. (Maybe it gets pushed back a week due to uncertainty this year? @allamerican11 already had all his rules and changes figured out during the 2018 season and just let the others think they had a part in coming up with all the new rules and changes! LMAO
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Post by vup on Jun 20, 2020 18:03:14 GMT -5
The sign-up thread was posted July 15th last year. But our Admin PM thread started in mid-May.
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Post by Fight On! on Jun 20, 2020 18:35:49 GMT -5
Last year the three admins did a heavy lift on rules changes. I prefer not to alter much, so as to allow people to apply lessons learned from season to season. The set up, in terms of number of players, number of weeks, match ups, etc. are hard to determine without official schedule announcements from all of the eligible conferences. The possibility of conferences with very different decisions about schedules could be a wrinkle to iron out this year. I would like to propose a rule stipulating that participants are docked 1/2 point each week that they don’t submit their own scores. Otherwise agean09 and I need to determine if we would like to alter the number of add/drops or emergency subs. If you have major issues with last year’s rules, feel free to PM me.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 20, 2020 19:23:35 GMT -5
Last year the three admins did a heavy lift on rules changes. I prefer not to alter much, so as to allow people to apply lessons learned from season to season. The set up, in terms of number of players, number of weeks, match ups, etc. are hard to determine without official schedule announcements from all of the eligible conferences. The possibility of conferences with very different decisions about schedules could be a wrinkle to iron out this year. I would like to propose a rule stipulating that participants are docked 1/2 point each week that they don’t submit their own scores. Otherwise agean09 and I need to determine if we would like to alter the number of add/drops or emergency subs. If you have major issues with last year’s rules, feel free to PM me. I don't think they did that much of a big change on rules. I also am not sure about your rule stipulation. Was that really even an issue (re: scoring matches)? The admin used to do ALL of the scoring, the users scoring themselves was to help reduce workload. I also don't think taking scores was a problem until late in the league when bottom-standing players didn't really care about scoring. Admins also have to make double check for disputes anyways. With two people playing matches, I think it's rare that admins will have to score a match. Also, some users even scored matches just because. Here are the major things that I think could be changed/discussed/reviewed: -Blocks = BA = 0.5 and BS = 1 or BA and BS = 1 -Substitution Rule. A few players complained last year about how you could wait until the last minute to make a substitution that would be most benefical for you. For example, you have a Libero and a Middle on the bench, but you wait until Sunday to determine if your team needs more help in kills/blocks rather than digs/aces. I am in the middle on this, at the same time I think bench players should be rewarded, but it is a little unfair to the opposition I think. -Add/Drops. I think unlimited add drops through week 1 are pretty much necessary. It happens to almost everyone every year that someone doesn't play in Week 1 or plays an unexpected position or role, and sometimes people have 3-4 players who don't play as expected. I think the emergeny add/drop should DEFINITELY be removed or adjusted. If you keep it, I think a blanket "if a player has not played in 2 weeks they may be dropped". I also don't think there should be less than 3 ADD/DROPS during the season. For example, if you lose back to back players in Week 2 and Week 3, you literally have no bench the rest of the season. That's not fair. -One thing that I'd personally like to see is an expansion to include any Team who is in the TOP 50 RPI from the previous year to be eligible for Fantasy. I don't see why we can't pick up Nicole Lennon from Rice, and Lauren Matthews from Western Kentucky but we can take the liberos from teams with RPI's in the 250's+ like Indiana State, DePaul, etc..
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Post by trojansc on Jun 20, 2020 19:31:07 GMT -5
Also, I think @allamerican11 put in a ton of work to the league this year to make it the most fair and competitive environment it could be. I'm curious to hear his opinions on what things he would tweak or maybe things he would revert to a previous league.
(of course I'm sure the other admins duncaroo and vup contributed a ton of work too, not just shhhhhh!)
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jun 20, 2020 20:21:08 GMT -5
I would like to drop the Mountain West, or MVC... or both.
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Post by donut on Jun 20, 2020 20:52:52 GMT -5
Also, I think @allamerican11 put in a ton of work to the league this year to make it the most fair and competitive environment it could be. I'm curious to hear his opinions on what things he would tweak or maybe things he would revert to a previous league. (of course I'm sure the other admins duncaroo and vup contributed a ton of work too, not just shhhhhh!) I'm not entirely sure why you would post this? I'm not saying you're wrong (shhhhh put in a ton of work and also wrote up the rules so he was arguably the most familiar with them), but I don't think anybody but the admins themselves have a clue about who put in a "ton of work" preseason in order to make the league what it was last year. For example, per-match scoring was my baby. Shhhhhh conceptualized the changes to the substitution rules. We discussed changes to other rules as well, that we didn't end up making. Last year the three admins did a heavy lift on rules changes. I prefer not to alter much, so as to allow people to apply lessons learned from season to season. The set up, in terms of number of players, number of weeks, match ups, etc. are hard to determine without official schedule announcements from all of the eligible conferences. The possibility of conferences with very different decisions about schedules could be a wrinkle to iron out this year. I would like to propose a rule stipulating that participants are docked 1/2 point each week that they don’t submit their own scores. Otherwise agean09 and I need to determine if we would like to alter the number of add/drops or emergency subs. If you have major issues with last year’s rules, feel free to PM me. I don't think they did that much of a big change on rules. I will just add that even deciding to change a single rule took us hours. For example, we went back and forth a ton on scoring. I believe we had multiple phone calls on that rule alone. We were probably overly thorough (i.e. we spent a lot of time playing out scenarios, using excel sheets, etc. to weigh the advantages of raw totals vs. per-match vs. per-set), but we took our job very seriously. I guess my point is that don't underestimate how much time it takes to create a solid new rule. It's harder than it sounds.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 21:01:38 GMT -5
This thread was started on July 24th last season and the sign-up thread went up on the 15th. Just curious, When did you do all the rules and discuss the key elements/changes for the league from 2018 to 2019? The rules were pretty thorough , so I’d imagine you were in the middle of or at least working on the rules at this point in time last year Based on last year’s draft date (4 weeks before start of season) this years draft would begin July 31st. (Maybe it gets pushed back a week due to uncertainty this year? I started on the rules sometime in June, I think.. Also put together an outline around the same time for us admins to work through during our phone calls so we didn't miss anything. Put the framework together early, added details after that. Probably finished mid-July? Appreciated my experience in the league and just wanted to make sure we were providing something of value to the participants. Wanted to make it as good as we could.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 21:02:49 GMT -5
I believe we had multiple phone calls on that rule alone. miss ur voice daddy
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 21:09:12 GMT -5
Also, I think @allamerican11 put in a ton of work to the league this year to make it the most fair and competitive environment it could be. I'm curious to hear his opinions on what things he would tweak or maybe things he would revert to a previous league. (of course I'm sure the other admins duncaroo and vup contributed a ton of work too, not just shhhhhh!) I tried. As I said above, my/our sole goal was to provide a positive, fun experience for the group. I don't know if we succeeded. I'm not sure what I would change. I haven't really thought about it. I think I'd just change the scandal of dunc's poor experience with his first draft pick, the circumstances that led to ay's withdrawal, and whatever caused huskerjen to quit participating. I also would never work with vup again. I'm available for counsel if any of the new admins are interested in reaching out. I'm sure dunc would lend his wisdom too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 21:19:53 GMT -5
Last year the three admins did a heavy lift on rules changes. I prefer not to alter much, so as to allow people to apply lessons learned from season to season. The set up, in terms of number of players, number of weeks, match ups, etc. are hard to determine without official schedule announcements from all of the eligible conferences. The possibility of conferences with very different decisions about schedules could be a wrinkle to iron out this year. I would like to propose a rule stipulating that participants are docked 1/2 point each week that they don’t submit their own scores. Otherwise agean09 and I need to determine if we would like to alter the number of add/drops or emergency subs. If you have major issues with last year’s rules, feel free to PM me. I don't think they did that much of a big change on rules. I also am not sure about your rule stipulation. Was that really even an issue (re: scoring matches)? The admin used to do ALL of the scoring, the users scoring themselves was to help reduce workload. I also don't think taking scores was a problem until late in the league when bottom-standing players didn't really care about scoring. Admins also have to make double check for disputes anyways. With two people playing matches, I think it's rare that admins will have to score a match. Also, some users even scored matches just because. Here are the major things that I think could be changed/discussed/reviewed: -Blocks = BA = 0.5 and BS = 1 or BA and BS = 1 -Substitution Rule. A few players complained last year about how you could wait until the last minute to make a substitution that would be most benefical for you. For example, you have a Libero and a Middle on the bench, but you wait until Sunday to determine if your team needs more help in kills/blocks rather than digs/aces. I am in the middle on this, at the same time I think bench players should be rewarded, but it is a little unfair to the opposition I think. -Add/Drops. I think unlimited add drops through week 1 are pretty much necessary. It happens to almost everyone every year that someone doesn't play in Week 1 or plays an unexpected position or role, and sometimes people have 3-4 players who don't play as expected. I think the emergeny add/drop should DEFINITELY be removed or adjusted. If you keep it, I think a blanket "if a player has not played in 2 weeks they may be dropped". I also don't think there should be less than 3 ADD/DROPS during the season. For example, if you lose back to back players in Week 2 and Week 3, you literally have no bench the rest of the season. That's not fair. -One thing that I'd personally like to see is an expansion to include any Team who is in the TOP 50 RPI from the previous year to be eligible for Fantasy. I don't see why we can't pick up Nicole Lennon from Rice, and Lauren Matthews from Western Kentucky but we can take the liberos from teams with RPI's in the 250's+ like Indiana State, DePaul, etc.. Re: subs -- recall that a player could only be subbed in if a player who played in her previous match did not play in her next match. If you were paying attention to your opponent, you'd know if a substitution was an option. Oh, also: player positions should NOT be based on the position they played in the last five matches of the previous season. That was dumb. Encouraged finding loopholes. Athletes should be on rosters in the position that they actually play, IMO. I like the other ideas. Regardless, all rules should work to enhance the overall participant experience and to maximize engagement for as many participants for as long as possible. One of the reasons we liked the emergency add/drop rule was because, in theory, it helps eliminate something that would otherwise ruin a fantasy season (a player getting injured) which might yield someone to give up. I believe that should be the goal.
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Post by trojansc on Jun 20, 2020 21:23:35 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure why you would post this? I guess my point is that don't underestimate how much time it takes to create a solid new rule. It's harder than it sounds. You answered the question yourself ^ Read the post I was responding to before that! I completely agree with you. I also posted it because I remember shhhhhhh messaging me a couple of times way in advance to the league starting in preparation. It showed a good dedication and the overall production was impressive, which is why I noted that I'm sure you two were a major part of the success too.
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