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Post by bradk on Nov 3, 2019 13:35:16 GMT -5
Green Bay got the perfect storm. Same 2 schools playing at same venue (The girls final was Appleton north vs Kimberly as well). Plus two rabid fan bases. They by far had greatest attendance.
I think Marquette holds the 3 seed over West with the win in a best of 5 match instead of a tournament match.
I could be wrong but Kettle Moraine might not have a winning record. Yes they beat Middleton. However they were seeded below Memorial in their sectional. Also I do believe Franklin beat KM head to head. Love Tom love his program but sometimes you have to step back from recency and look at big picture.
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Post by vballman1234 on Nov 3, 2019 13:39:31 GMT -5
Green Bay got the perfect storm. Same 2 schools playing at same venue (The girls final was Appleton north vs Kimberly as well). Plus two rabid fan bases. They by far had greatest attendance. I think Marquette holds the 3 seed over West with the win in a best of 5 match instead of a tournament match. I could be wrong but Kettle Moraine might not have a winning record. Yes they beat Middleton. However they were seeded below Memorial in their sectional. Also I do believe Franklin beat KM head to head. Love Tom love his program but sometimes you have to step back from recency and look at big picture. I agree...you should be looking at the whole season not just what happened recently. Marquette gave both Kimberly and Germantown one of their only losses! Those are your top 2 teams and Marquette has beaten (and lost) to both. Waukesha West is the 4 seed.
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Post by la on Nov 3, 2019 15:09:18 GMT -5
Green Bay got the perfect storm. Same 2 schools playing at same venue (The girls final was Appleton north vs Kimberly as well). Plus two rabid fan bases. They by far had greatest attendance. I think Marquette holds the 3 seed over West with the win in a best of 5 match instead of a tournament match. I could be wrong but Kettle Moraine might not have a winning record. Yes they beat Middleton. However they were seeded below Memorial in their sectional. Also I do believe Franklin beat KM head to head. Love Tom love his program but sometimes you have to step back from recency and look at big picture. I agree...you should be looking at the whole season not just what happened recently. Marquette gave both Kimberly and Germantown one of their only losses! Those are your top 2 teams and Marquette has beaten (and lost) to both. Waukesha West is the 4 seed. I see what you mean, however West played Marquette in the best of 5 match very early in the season without a full lineup. More recently, West won 2-0 against Marquette in the Kaukauna tournament and beat CMH who has given scarce losses to Gtown and Kimberly.
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Post by mkiw on Nov 3, 2019 15:53:44 GMT -5
Kettle Moraine hasn’t been in the winner’s/gold bracket since their own invite which would be tolerable if they’d produced results regularly like top 2 in that setting, but they didn’t which should hurt them in seeding. They did beat CMH earlier in the year, which is another nice win, but their full body of work will definitely put them in that 6-7-8 seed range, along with I think Franklin and Horlick. Not sure of any comparable results between the 3 of these teams.
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Post by volleyballer99 on Nov 3, 2019 16:22:39 GMT -5
The list of teams that made it to state this year is ridiculous. Things need to change immediately. There is no way Franklin, Horlick, or KM should be in the state tournament. The fact that a team with a losing record can make it to state tells me there are many changes that need to happen to make this system better. Sectionals need to change to give the teams that actually deserve to be at state a chance to be there. Also move the tournament back to Milwaukee because no one wants to drive all the way to Green Bay, only one team benefits from this. I don’t even want to go state this year, there is only 5 good teams there when there should be 8 good teams there. The system is flawed change it immediately.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 16:44:06 GMT -5
The list of teams that made it to state this year is ridiculous. Things need to change immediately. There is no way Franklin, Horlick, or KM should be in the state tournament. The fact that a team with a losing record can make it to state tells me there are many changes that need to happen to make this system better. Sectionals need to change to give the teams that actually deserve to be at state a chance to be there. Also move the tournament back to Milwaukee because no one wants to drive all the way to Green Bay, only one team benefits from this. I don’t even want to go state this year, there is only 5 good teams there when there should be 8 good teams there. The system is flawed change it immediately. Pretty angry post for your first one. The format gives EVERY team in the state a chance to make the tournament. Yes, some sectional have more talent than others, but you still have to show up and bring your A game even if you are in one the the supposed weaker sectionals - just ask Middleton. Horlick was been Top 10 for most of the year, so not sure why you think they are undeserving. As for the location this year, I do actually agree and wish it was still in the Milwaukee area. If attendance drops as many expect it might, then perhaps the WIAA will re-evaluate it.
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Post by vballguy101 on Nov 3, 2019 17:26:55 GMT -5
The list of teams that made it to state this year is ridiculous. Things need to change immediately. There is no way Franklin, Horlick, or KM should be in the state tournament. The fact that a team with a losing record can make it to state tells me there are many changes that need to happen to make this system better. Sectionals need to change to give the teams that actually deserve to be at state a chance to be there. Also move the tournament back to Milwaukee because no one wants to drive all the way to Green Bay, only one team benefits from this. I don’t even want to go state this year, there is only 5 good teams there when there should be 8 good teams there. The system is flawed change it immediately. Big call out there. You need to know that all sectionals are determined before the start of the season. Each section will have 1 or 2 strong teams and some may have 3 but that happens. As for KM, Horlick, and Franklin, they all earned their spot. They probably played their hearts out. So disgusted that someone would be complaining about an upset that happened when this is high school boys volleyball and the teams that made state earned their opportunity. So disgusted!
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Post by kah726 on Nov 3, 2019 17:32:23 GMT -5
I think having the boys and girls at the same state tournament is a brilliant idea - this can only help grow the boys game!
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Post by mkiw on Nov 3, 2019 17:42:12 GMT -5
The list of teams that made it to state this year is ridiculous. Things need to change immediately. There is no way Franklin, Horlick, or KM should be in the state tournament. The fact that a team with a losing record can make it to state tells me there are many changes that need to happen to make this system better. Sectionals need to change to give the teams that actually deserve to be at state a chance to be there. Also move the tournament back to Milwaukee because no one wants to drive all the way to Green Bay, only one team benefits from this. I don’t even want to go state this year, there is only 5 good teams there when there should be 8 good teams there. The system is flawed change it immediately. These teams weren’t top 10 for most of the year, but what is your logic in regards to ripping these teams apart? They weren’t top 10, yes, but KM just beat the 4th best team in the state as of the last rankings, a team that earned that #4 rank. Horlick and Franklin are competent teams as well, not teams that had to go through any top 4 or 5 seeds to get to state, but had to win their matches. Horlick just beat an IT team with a lot of it’s core from last year’s semi-final team in tact. Franklin just won their sectional and they weren’t a 1 seed either. They have a capable team as well. I’m kind of beating a dead horse at this point in agreeing with you that the move to Green Bay is terrible (it is). My question would be how do you fix the sectionals? The FVA is kind of a deserted island in relation to the other sectionals. It sucks that Appleton North couldn’t make it this year, but where else do you put them? It sucks that CMH and West both couldn’t be there, but where else do you put them? The same issue was there when CMH and KM were in the same sectional, and even worse many years ago when Marquette and Nicolet had to play often when they were top 2 in the state. What about the BEast sectional this year? (Calling it that because Beast won, no clue where the ‘neutral site’ was for this one) BEast, Tosas West and East, and Pius all could’ve been at state but where do you put any of them otherwise? Maybe in the Marquette sectional, but then you’re spreading the problem out. The situation sucks, yes, but it’s not a simple fix unless you jerrymander a bunch of the sectionals to strategically make the top 8 teams at the end of the year as #1 seeds. (Which would be anything but simple, actually.)
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Post by bradk on Nov 3, 2019 21:35:20 GMT -5
As said many times WIAA does not care who makes the state tournament. They care where the teams come from and regional representation. They have said it publicly themselves. You will never get a NCAA type tournament where the best 8 teams are 1 seeds in every sectional.
I did notice that on the WIAA twitter feed they are giving $1,000 to the 5 schools (4 girls division, 1 boys division) in every division that has the biggest presale. I wonder where that money came from? (wonder what the rental cost of WLC was).
All 8 schools that have made the tournament have been in or near the top 10 all year.
On the other hand lets look at the players who will not get to play at state this year. Again I am sorry if miss anyone here but this is just of the top of my head or if I spelled your name wrong.
S - Paul, Solomon OH - Van Buren, Brozinski, Appleton North #8 I believe OPP - Wolmer, Klimisch MH - Markes, Ziggy (Appleton North) L - Pohlman
That is a lot of talent in 30 seconds not getting a chance to play on the big stage.
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Post by volleyballer99 on Nov 3, 2019 21:39:24 GMT -5
I personally believe that the sectionals should be made at the end of the year. This would consist of the top 8 teams being put into there own sectional. After the top 8 has been decided the remaining teams, could also be seeded. Think of it as a year ending tournament with single elimination. Sectionals will basically be what a pool is in a tournament. Yes, this may be more traveling for some teams but seems like the WIAA doesn’t mind all teams traveling since they moved State to Green Bay this year. Overall, doing this would be very beneficial for the teams that had a great regular season. This would also allow schools that have never gotten a chance to play each other to do so.
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Post by bradk on Nov 3, 2019 22:14:40 GMT -5
10Am Germantown vs Franklin Marquette vs Horlick
1pm Kimberly vs KM Waukesha West vs Brookfield East
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Post by vballguy101 on Nov 3, 2019 22:34:24 GMT -5
10Am Germantown vs Franklin Marquette vs Horlick 1pm Kimberly vs KM Waukesha West vs Brookfield East Crazy to see that the previous Unranked Franklin beat an Unranked Muskego team to make it to state, yet Unranked Kettle Moraine beat #4 ranked Middleton and they still end up with the 8 seed. Wow!
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Post by mzeske17 on Nov 4, 2019 0:42:01 GMT -5
The list of teams that made it to state this year is ridiculous. Things need to change immediately. There is no way Franklin, Horlick, or KM should be in the state tournament. The fact that a team with a losing record can make it to state tells me there are many changes that need to happen to make this system better. Sectionals need to change to give the teams that actually deserve to be at state a chance to be there. Also move the tournament back to Milwaukee because no one wants to drive all the way to Green Bay, only one team benefits from this. I don’t even want to go state this year, there is only 5 good teams there when there should be 8 good teams there. The system is flawed change it immediately. As much as we’d all love to see this, I can’t imagine this changing in the foreseeable future. I’m not sure whether you’re new to Wisconsin boys volleyball but this is how it is every year. There are usually some pretty ugly 3-0 sweeps in the quarters. Heck, my sophomore year at New Berlin we were ranked #2 in the rankings going into playoffs and didn’t make it. We had 45 errors in the sectional final so we probably didn’t deserve to make it anyways. I did notice that the semi-finals and finals are not being played on the same day anymore. That’s probably about the only thing I like about this new move to Green Bay. I think getting two well rested teams in the state championship will make it more exciting. Like Brad, I noticed the $1000 school rewards for most pre-sale tickets. Has that been done on the girls side in the past? My original thought was that they really weren’t expecting a strong attendance from the boys side so they added a little incentive.
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Post by beastparent on Nov 4, 2019 1:43:34 GMT -5
The Brookfields or Pius could easily be moved into the "Franklin" section. Geographically close enough. NBU was in the "East" section two years ago played at home in the final and lost. They were in that section for only 1 year. Teams do move some. The Germantown section used to be more competitive than it was this year. Basically the talent level ebbs and flows over time. Only so much you can do to perfectly balance talent.
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