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Post by bballnut90 on Sept 5, 2019 2:26:16 GMT -5
Texas had a "down year" by their standards, yet land the top setter and libero plus a stud OH. 2019-#1 recruit and Philips who a lot think was underranked at 16. 2018-#2 recruit in O'Neal, plus Eggleston who likely would've been top 3 (potentially #1) if she was ranked before reclassifying. 2017-#1, #2, and #6. Sun (#1) obviously transferred out. 2016-Orie who was top 5 2015-#4 and #5 in White/Yaazie 2014-no one top 10 I think 2013:Chiaka who was top 10, plus Ebony was top 10 and transferred in Crazy thing is, even with all of this talent, they haven't won a title during this stretch. Also, will Texas still continue to be seen as a less than stellar 1st two contacts team despite yet again landing a top setting and libero prospect? Depends on system and chemistry. Texas has a pretty darn good libero right now IMO but first contact issues is usually due to OHs not being able to pass well rather than the DS/libero. As far as setting, much of that is a faction of the offense run rather than the individual setter. Jerritt utilizes more of a moon ball pin heavy offense than faster tempos which ignores a lot of what causes setters to earn their high accolades as a prep player. We saw that with Hannah Allison, who excelled in a faster tempo with team USA and at the prep level but struggled with locating moon balls at Texas. Gabriel looks pretty good IMO but is significantly undersized to play in the front row. Collins set well to the pins but the offense was still predictable and slow with her. Whoever Jerritt puts in there will run into the same problems as long as his offense doesn't prioritize faster sets and get the middles more involved. And I don't see the offense changing anytime soon with high fliers on the pins like Fields and Eggleston for the next 3 years.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Sept 5, 2019 3:45:46 GMT -5
I will say talking to one of the players on the Junior team, she said in her opinion Jenna was better than Taylor and even Logan while they were together. High praise after playing with all those kids for a few weeks. I stand by my Skinner should have been #1, and that Wenaas is very very good and went even higher than I thought! I didn't see Landfair or Wenaas in person, but I did see Skinner and was very highly impressed. I've tried to find video of Skinner and can't seem to find anything..
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Post by stanfordvb on Sept 5, 2019 7:31:36 GMT -5
Well you conveniently left out 2012 lol Texas should've won at least 1 title during the last 6 seasons with that talent. Even if you go further back, they still had a plethora of talent and only 1 title to show over the past 13 seasons: 2012: #1 and #6 senior aces, #7 transferred in 2011: #2 and #5 2010: #9 2009: #1 and #5 2008: #3 2007: #2 and #3 2006: #3 and #8 (Engle/Hooker) No one else has come close to matching that type or recruiting consistency. He is a great recruiter, but do the top players who consistently commit there ever realize that they can't really pull off the nc title for the past decade with the exception of 2012? Or do they watch what happens to Texas players after college, except ogbogu
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Post by tallguy86 on Sept 5, 2019 7:47:42 GMT -5
The jury is still out on Rollins. We'll have to see how this year plays out, but it's undeniable that she inherited the perfect setter and system for her hitting ability last year. If the passers and Miller can't somewhat replicate that this year, then Rollins' offensive production may be suspect going forward. Agree with this as well! But again, Wenaas is bigger and more physical than Rollins in club, and did it as a junior in 18's more than Rollins did as a senior in 18's. I'm not advocating for Wenaas to be a top 5 recruit (gimme Skinner and Landfair), my point is more that she doesn't fit the "undersized" outside profile like several people are clamoring for. She's not a huge outside either, but a 6'1" hammer with hops it not undersized in D1 yet. She's normal sized Rollins didn’t play 18s. She went early to MN.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Sept 5, 2019 8:51:32 GMT -5
I will say talking to one of the players on the Junior team, she said in her opinion Jenna was better than Taylor and even Logan while they were together. You engaged in a conversation with a kid about which of her peers is better than the others? That doesn't sound very responsbile...
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Post by stanfordvb on Sept 5, 2019 8:53:46 GMT -5
I will say talking to one of the players on the Junior team, she said in her opinion Jenna was better than Taylor and even Logan while they were together. You engaged in a conversation with a kid about which of her peers is better than the others? That doesn't sound very responsbile... Do you know words age? Some people on this site have connection to current prep players / collegiate players bc of similar age range
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Post by Hawk Attack on Sept 5, 2019 8:55:20 GMT -5
You engaged in a conversation with a kid about which of her peers is better than the others? That doesn't sound very responsbile... Do you know words age? Some people on this site have connection to current prep players / collegiate players bc of similar age range They’ve been posting on this site since before you were born.
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Post by horns1 on Sept 5, 2019 9:06:56 GMT -5
Texas should've won at least 1 title during the last 6 seasons with that talent. Even if you go further back, they still had a plethora of talent and only 1 title to show over the past 13 seasons: 2012: #1 and #6 senior aces, #7 transferred in 2011: #2 and #5 2010: #9 2009: #1 and #5 2008: #3 2007: #2 and #3 2006: #3 and #8 (Engle/Hooker) No one else has come close to matching that type or recruiting consistency. He is a great recruiter, but do the top players who consistently commit there ever realize that they can't really pull off the nc title for the past decade with the exception of 2012? Or do they watch what happens to Texas players after college, except ogbogu With that logic, why did Stanford's 2016 class bother to go there when the prior elite Stanford recruiting classes could NOT advance to a single Final Four in 6 seasons between 2009 and 2015? SMH
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Post by stanfordvb on Sept 5, 2019 9:32:40 GMT -5
He is a great recruiter, but do the top players who consistently commit there ever realize that they can't really pull off the nc title for the past decade with the exception of 2012? Or do they watch what happens to Texas players after college, except ogbogu With that logic, why did Stanford's 2016 class bother to go there when the prior elite Stanford recruiting classes could NOT advance to a single Final Four in 6 seasons between 2009 and 2015? SMH Because Stanford can pass. and had 6 national titles when they committed. Also a substantially better academic school than Texas. It's also in California. It's also the most storied collegiate program. I mean I keep going
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Post by horns1 on Sept 5, 2019 9:38:30 GMT -5
With that logic, why did Stanford's 2016 class bother to go there when the prior elite Stanford recruiting classes could NOT advance to a single Final Four in 6 seasons between 2009 and 2015? SMH Because Stanford can pass. and had 6 national titles when they committed. Also a substantially better academic school than Texas. It's also in California. It's also the most storied collegiate program. I mean I keep going Way to change the narrative to fit a weak argument. You were talking about success on the court initially as to why recruits were (or should not be) choosing Texas; I'm talking about the same for Stanford. Stanford was underachieving more than any other program from 2009 to 2015; and, they hadn't won a national title since like what, 2004?
All those advantages you just listed didn't help during that long drought, did they?
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Post by huskervolleyball on Sept 5, 2019 10:04:26 GMT -5
He is a great recruiter, but do the top players who consistently commit there ever realize that they can't really pull off the nc title for the past decade with the exception of 2012? Or do they watch what happens to Texas players after college, except ogbogu With that logic, why did Stanford's 2016 class bother to go there when the prior elite Stanford recruiting classes could NOT advance to a single Final Four in 6 seasons between 2009 and 2015? SMH Not joining your argument or sumn but Stanford made it in 2014
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Post by horns1 on Sept 5, 2019 10:05:17 GMT -5
With that logic, why did Stanford's 2016 class bother to go there when the prior elite Stanford recruiting classes could NOT advance to a single Final Four in 6 seasons between 2009 and 2015? SMH Not joining your argument or sumn but Stanford made it in 2014 My bad. They certainly did. Thanks for the correction.
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Post by Word on Sept 5, 2019 12:02:35 GMT -5
You engaged in a conversation with a kid about which of her peers is better than the others? That doesn't sound very responsbile... Do you know words age? Some people on this site have connection to current prep players / collegiate players bc of similar age range I coach, so I know a bunch of prep players through that scene. And when the JNT struggles, its a good conversation to engage and what was good or bad of my players experience. Needless to say, she thought Wenaas was their best outside over the course of the experience. Just giving adding another opinion to all those out there and why I thought highly of Wenaas and her potential at the next level.
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Post by stanfordvb on Sept 5, 2019 12:32:07 GMT -5
Do you know words age? Some people on this site have connection to current prep players / collegiate players bc of similar age range I coach, so I know a bunch of prep players through that scene. And when the JNT struggles, its a good conversation to engage and what was good or bad of my players experience. Needless to say, she thought Wenaas was their best outside over the course of the experience. Just giving adding another opinion to all those out there and why I thought highly of Wenaas and her potential at the next level. Hey, if the opportunity to talk with young players or their coaches comes about, using it is not wrong. I get a lot of information through players being recruited or committed already about other players or ab themselves, people that have a problem with that are silly and jealous
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Post by Fight On! on Sept 5, 2019 12:45:07 GMT -5
I coach, so I know a bunch of prep players through that scene. And when the JNT struggles, its a good conversation to engage and what was good or bad of my players experience. Needless to say, she thought Wenaas was their best outside over the course of the experience. Just giving adding another opinion to all those out there and why I thought highly of Wenaas and her potential at the next level. Hey, if the opportunity to talk with young players or their coaches comes about, using it is not wrong. I get a lot of information through players being recruited or committed already about other players or ab themselves, people that have a problem with that are silly and jealous I think it’s one thing to listen to players talk about what they want to talk about, and another thing to flat out ask them to rank and compare their peers, though. I am not insinuating anyone did the latter in this scenario: just an observation.
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