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Post by KPI on Nov 12, 2019 23:16:11 GMT -5
Coast 17s looks complete different from last years team that went to nationals. Looks like they setter from Epic 16s and an outside form that same team. What happened to the AA setter that moved mid-season from Coast 17-2's to Coast 16-1's last year? He was fun to watch - super nasty topspin, to boot. Asked around and got this: Wave 18s played well but didn’t quite pull off the wins to keep up in the standings. It’s a pretty new team (some players from Coast and Epic) so it’s going to take a little time for them to come together. The new setter for Wave 17s came from Coast 17-2s/16-1s according to a parent. I’m pretty sure he’s the one you’re thinking of. He’s got the big Fro? There were 2 setters on that team. Him and a tall kid. I need to go look at Coast and Wave’s websites.
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Post by begood on Nov 12, 2019 23:21:45 GMT -5
Coast 17s looks complete different from last years team that went to nationals. Looks like they setter from Epic 16s and an outside form that same team. What happened to the AA setter that moved mid-season from Coast 17-2's to Coast 16-1's last year? He was fun to watch - super nasty topspin, to boot. He went to Wave 17-Jed. I think it was a good move for him considering the standings. He's playing on the 2nd best team in the county under 18's (on paper) and the best 17's in the county. He will have to have a good season this year for recruiting. He's a kid I love keeping an eye on. Jed is a great fundamentals coach too and those boys are really enjoying him. It would be nice to see him coach them next year too. I know that doesn't happen much in San Diego but I do see some LA clubs do that.
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Post by bealzabubba on Nov 13, 2019 9:40:04 GMT -5
KPI and begood - looked at the Wave website, and that's the kid, on Wave's 17-1. From what I saw last year, his only downside was lack of height. Great on court IQ, and, as I said, just fun to watch. Jed is a great fundamentals coach too and those boys are really enjoying him. It would be nice to see him coach them next year too. I know that doesn't happen much in San Diego but I do see some LA clubs do that. Jed's been coaching that team for the last three years (15's through 17s), so wouldn't it be odd if he *didn't* coach them as 18's?
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Post by LongSpatch on Nov 13, 2019 10:49:11 GMT -5
SCVC 18s is far and away the best team right now. Every notable team besides them has lost at least a set now. They have won all of their sets and have done it playing their bench.
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Post by sandygears on Nov 14, 2019 15:17:12 GMT -5
So, official standings have been released. They're weird, and I can't figure out what metric they used for positioning in each division. Particularly with the X-over pools in Gold D2 (but those teams will be happy). here's the official top 10: 1 MB SURF 16-1 ASICS MJ6MBSSV1SC 2 OCVC 16 Red - mj6ocvbc1sc 3 Balboa Bay VBC 16 White - mj6balby2sc 4 Vegas United 16 Navy - mj6vegas1sc 5 Balboa Bay VBC 16 Blue - mj6balby1sc 6 MB SURF 15-1 ASICS MJ5MBSSV1SC 7 Coast 16 Chris - mj6coast1sc 8 SCVC 16 Quiksilver - mj6scvbc1sc 9 SMBC West 16 Adidas-MJ6SMBC1SC 10 WAVE 16 Cole - mj6wvevb1sc Well... it was worth the wait. Didn't get to watch round 1 back in Oct so finally got a chance to see some competition. Very entertaining! I got to see 3 of the top 5 directly over the 2 day format and frankly, I didn't see that much separation between the teams. In the end, the teams that won were more focused and made fewer mistakes. As I originally stated on my first post way earlier in the thread, Wave and Coast should be competitive (did watch Coast play a match too). For Wave, their first game was against the current #1, so to have that be Wave16's first real competitive match (Qualify day 1 was not too challenging) and to take them to 24-26 in the first set was promising. In the second set, MB woke up a bit and made fewer mistakes and tightened up their blocking... Wave went down early and didn't have the chemistry and collective experience to pull themselves back in it, but went on to get second in the bracket... not a bad start for a new team. I think the best of all was to see the depth on each of these teams, there was rarely any drop-off in play when rotations changed, so again it really looked to me to be about match ups, focus, and strategy. Very fun to watch. I expect this top 10 (or 16 with G1A and G1B) to move back and forth which will make for an exciting year!!! Of course a handful of teams might pull away as point accumulate, but for the Holiday Classic and the JBI in January, I would expect some great match ups as the competitions progress towards their respective playoff/final rounds!!!
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Post by begood on Nov 15, 2019 13:43:28 GMT -5
So, official standings have been released. They're weird, and I can't figure out what metric they used for positioning in each division. Particularly with the X-over pools in Gold D2 (but those teams will be happy). here's the official top 10: 1 MB SURF 16-1 ASICS MJ6MBSSV1SC 2 OCVC 16 Red - mj6ocvbc1sc 3 Balboa Bay VBC 16 White - mj6balby2sc 4 Vegas United 16 Navy - mj6vegas1sc 5 Balboa Bay VBC 16 Blue - mj6balby1sc 6 MB SURF 15-1 ASICS MJ5MBSSV1SC 7 Coast 16 Chris - mj6coast1sc 8 SCVC 16 Quiksilver - mj6scvbc1sc 9 SMBC West 16 Adidas-MJ6SMBC1SC 10 WAVE 16 Cole - mj6wvevb1sc Well... it was worth the wait. Didn't get to watch round 1 back in Oct so finally got a chance to see some competition. Very entertaining! I got to see 3 of the top 5 directly over the 2 day format and frankly, I didn't see that much separation between the teams. In the end, the teams that won were more focused and made fewer mistakes. As I originally stated on my first post way earlier in the thread, Wave and Coast should be competitive (did watch Coast play a match too). For Wave, their first game was against the current #1, so to have that be Wave16's first real competitive match (Qualify day 1 was not too challenging) and to take them to 24-26 in the first set was promising. In the second set, MB woke up a bit and made fewer mistakes and tightened up their blocking... Wave went down early and didn't have the chemistry and collective experience to pull themselves back in it, but went on to get second in the bracket... not a bad start for a new team. I think the best of all was to see the depth on each of these teams, there was rarely any drop-off in play when rotations changed, so again it really looked to me to be about match ups, focus, and strategy. Very fun to watch. I expect this top 10 (or 16 with G1A and G1B) to move back and forth which will make for an exciting year!!! Of course a handful of teams might pull away as point accumulate, but for the Holiday Classic and the JBI in January, I would expect some great match ups as the competitions progress towards their respective playoff/final rounds!!!
The 16's age group is pretty funny because there are usually only a few great teams and a bunch of good teams. The kids are still figuring out how to play. New kids who are athletic can come along and really change things too. My son last year consistently finished near the top but couldn't break through teams that were frankly better. They wouldn't fall however because the teams below them were definitely a level below and still developing. A lot of these teams will show something after high school season and at nationals. If they're playing like a 17's team by nationals, they'll probably be a good 17's team the following year in my opinion. They just need to get some sort of open level bid and be able to play in the open division if they're gonna be good later on.
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Post by bealzabubba on Nov 15, 2019 13:58:12 GMT -5
I think the best of all was to see the depth on each of these teams, there was rarely any drop-off in play when rotations changed, so again it really looked to me to be about match ups, focus, and strategy. Very fun to watch. I expect this top 10 (or 16 with G1A and G1B) to move back and forth which will make for an exciting year!!!
New kids who are athletic can come along and really change things too. ... They just need to get some sort of open level bid and be able to play in the open division if they're gonna be good later on. I agree with all of these statements - fits with what I saw. Not much separation yet. P1 and P2 should be great competition, as teams that "underperformed" their expectations will need to lay it all on the line to move up for HC seeding. I will also point out that getting a bid at JBI this year will be very tough in 16's. Of the currently registered 23 teams in 16 Open, only 12 are from SCVA. Yes, that should change - there are 24 16s teams that competed in Qualifiers but aren't yet registered, but those 11 out of state teams aren't coming just for funsies. (352, HPSTL, SAS etc, not to mention the AZ and NorCal teams).
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Post by babybacksets on Nov 15, 2019 14:48:17 GMT -5
How does moving up work after Qualifiers? Especially if your team really stubbed it’s toe/had injured impact players the first 2 weekends?
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Post by bealzabubba on Nov 15, 2019 15:49:58 GMT -5
How does moving up work after Qualifiers? Especially if your team really stubbed it’s toe/had injured impact players the first 2 weekends? Generally: win your pool, move up a division; lose your pool, move down a division. So, at most, you could move up two divisions before HC (between 9 and 16 spots, assuming they stick with 8 team divisions - and that's a bit unclear given how wonky gold d2 was for qualifiers) Note that crossover playoffs at points tourneys could impact this further, (i.e. finish second in pool but win the x-over, you may still move up and/or get a better seed at HC over the team you beat).
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Post by begood on Nov 15, 2019 17:03:23 GMT -5
How does moving up work after Qualifiers? Especially if your team really stubbed it’s toe/had injured impact players the first 2 weekends? Generally: win your pool, move up a division; lose your pool, move down a division. So, at most, you could move up two divisions before HC (between 9 and 16 spots, assuming they stick with 8 team divisions - and that's a bit unclear given how wonky gold d2 was for qualifiers) Note that crossover playoffs at points tourneys could impact this further, (i.e. finish second in pool but win the x-over, you may still move up and/or get a better seed at HC over the team you beat). This is what makes not doing well in the first tournament hard for most teams to comeback from. Unless they are really a top team, its hard for kids to perform in big tournaments like HC and BJI where it really counts. Finishing low in the first tournament means playing lower seeded teams and collecting a record against them. This record is where seeding for the bigger tournaments comes from. Lower seed at a big tournament means having to play good teams in first pool just to advance. Most teams want to be the top seeded team in these pools giving them a little more assurance they will advance to the next day.
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Post by bealzabubba on Nov 15, 2019 18:40:39 GMT -5
This is what makes not doing well in the first tournament hard for most teams to comeback from. Unless they are really a top team, its hard for kids to perform in big tournaments like HC and BJI where it really counts. Finishing low in the first tournament means playing lower seeded teams and collecting a record against them. This record is where seeding for the bigger tournaments comes from. Lower seed at a big tournament means having to play good teams in first pool just to advance. Most teams want to be the top seeded team in these pools giving them a little more assurance they will advance to the next day. I half agree: if your team stumbled, then you get to play "lower" quality teams in points, so you have less preparation. But... There are no more easy games - you draw who you draw.
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Post by KPI on Nov 18, 2019 0:45:08 GMT -5
Potential pools for this upcoming Saturday tourney. (Taken from a post by Pinnacles Instagram -doesn’t seem to match the standings so I’m confused)
Div 1a Pool 1 (1)SCVC 18 (4)Pinnacle 17 (5)Rockstar 18 (8)Balboa Bay 17 Blue
Div 1a Pool 2 (2)Coast 18 (3)SG Elite 17 (6)Rockstar 17 (7)MB Surf 18
Div 1b Pool 3 (9)Pinnacle 18s (12)Legacy 18s (13)Balboa Bay 18s Blue (16SoCal Legends 18s
Div 1b Pool 4 (10)Wave 17s (11)OCVC 18 Red (14)OCVC 17 Red (15)949 17 Black
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Post by bealzabubba on Nov 18, 2019 11:18:25 GMT -5
Potential pools for this upcoming Saturday tourney. (Taken from a post by Pinnacles Instagram -doesn’t seem to match the standings so I’m confused) Div 1a Pool 1 (1)SCVC 18 (4)Pinnacle 17 (5)Rockstar 18 (8)Balboa Bay 17 Blue Div 1a Pool 2 (2)Coast 18 (3)SG Elite 17 (6)Rockstar 17 (7)MB Surf 18 Div 1b Pool 3 (9)Pinnacle 18s (12)Legacy 18s (13)Balboa Bay 18s Blue (16SoCal Legends 18s Div 1b Pool 4 (10)Wave 17s (11)OCVC 18 Red (14)OCVC 17 Red (15)949 17 Black This was likely from a pre-draw that was circulated to at least some directors. It may change, and it's more reflective of what the rankings would have been in past years than what was posted (I've heard, repeatedly, that SCVA has a new person doing the rankings/draws this year, and it shows). The draw you posted is a straight "pool finish" ranking, as opposed to what the "standings" rankings were (NB: 16s have the same issue, and it really screws with D2). Take a look at the 17s for SG, Pinnacle, and OCVC to see what I mean - on a "pool finish" they should be 3rd, 4th and 8th, as opposed to their "standings" of 6, 7 & 14. There's an argument for the first two to drop (because they needed tiebreaks to win the pool), but OCVC 17's "standing" is a mystery to me. And I have no idea what metric was used to boost MBS 18's from a pool finish of 7 to a ranking of 3. Rank Q3 Finish Team 1 P1 1 SCVC 18 Quiksilver - mj8scvbc1sc 2 P2 1 Coast 18-Jake - mj8coast1sc 3 P7 1 MB SURF 18-1 ASICS MJ8MBSSV1SC 4 P6 1 Team Rockstar 17 Rockstar - mj7rstar1sc 5 P5 1 Team Rockstar 18 Rockstar - mj8rstar1sc 6 P3 1 – tiebreak SG Elite 17 Elite-MJ7SGELT1SC 7 P4 1 - tiebreak Pinnacle 17s - mj7pnncl1sc 8 P2 2 Balboa Bay VBC 18 Blue - mj8balby1sc 9 P7 2 Balboa Bay VBC 17 Blue - mj7balby1sc 10 P6 2 Pinnacle 18s -mj8pnncl1sc 11 P3 2 - tiebreak LEGACY BOYS 18 ELITE - MJ8LEGAC1SC 12 P4 2 – tiebreak OCVC 18 Red - mj8ocvbc1sc 13 P5 2 WAVE 17 Jed - MJ7WVEVB1SC 14 P1 2 OCVC 17 Red - mj7ocvbc1sc
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Post by justspike2win on Nov 18, 2019 12:16:50 GMT -5
I believe they are using from Q3
Division (Gold D1, Gold D2...) -> Place (1st, 2nd...) -> Match Percentage -> Game Percentage -> Point Ratio
to rank the teams. So all the Gold D1 are ahead of Gold D2, all first places are ranked higher than second and then the last 3 are used as tie breakers in that order.
Worked for the 18 and 16 when I checked them.
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Post by volleydaddy on Nov 18, 2019 13:18:40 GMT -5
SCVC 18s is far and away the best team right now. Every notable team besides them has lost at least a set now. They have won all of their sets and have done it playing their bench. Yeah, even though the difference between their starters and bench is VERY noticeable, they are the most solid team as of now. If they can maintain this consistency, I see them winning it all. Of course, they'll have their ups and downs, but their pins, setters, and libs seem to be more than enough to beat out any other. Only problem I saw was their middles. They're not as quite as up to par as the rest of their team, but they're tall and can get the job done.
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