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Post by jammaster on Dec 9, 2019 18:41:31 GMT -5
Cheese and Rice! This thread is growing faster than I can read through the damn thing. Had to jump to last page.
As a UCSB grad...wish it would at least have been caught by official and they ding them for a point. Texas probably still would have taken it as they are a stronger team playing at home, but that was total BS.
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Post by horns1 on Dec 9, 2019 18:57:07 GMT -5
Don't say that to the masses on here.
I’m pretty sure most of us just want to ensure that this doesn’t set precedent for anyone to just waltz up to the bench, be it a rando or a brilliant tactician. And that Texas / whoever let her go to the bench knows what they did was wrong. You too btw since your judgement is clouded
Yeah, we ALL know how unbiased you are when it comes to Texas . . .
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Post by volleyjeep on Dec 9, 2019 19:07:30 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure most of us just want to ensure that this doesn’t set precedent for anyone to just waltz up to the bench, be it a rando or a brilliant tactician. And that Texas / whoever let her go to the bench knows what they did was wrong. You too btw since your judgement is clouded
Yeah, we ALL know how unbiased you are when it comes to Texas . . .
Point still clearly missed.
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Post by horns1 on Dec 9, 2019 19:08:56 GMT -5
Yeah, we ALL know how unbiased you are when it comes to Texas . . .
Point still clearly missed. Good. Let's keep it that way.
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Post by Disc808 on Dec 9, 2019 19:18:17 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure most of us just want to ensure that this doesn’t set precedent for anyone to just waltz up to the bench, be it a rando or a brilliant tactician. And that Texas / whoever let her go to the bench knows what they did was wrong. You too btw since your judgement is clouded
Yeah, we ALL know how unbiased you are when it comes to Texas . . .
Ok boomer
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Post by stevehorn on Dec 9, 2019 19:27:31 GMT -5
This is how ESPN reported it on their website: What the heck are coaches doing during a match that they require a timeout to convene? Why aren't coaches prepared BEFORE the timeout so they don't waste previous time? Convene probably is inaccurate in this case. For starters, this was the break between the 3rd and 4th set. TV was coming back from commercials when they showed Khat stepping into the huddle as Eric Sullivan was leaving the huddle. So I assume the coach(es) were finishing up talking to the team so it was just before the teams would take the court. So the coaches were talking again to each other as they normally do coming out of time outs or set breaks, not formulating there plans for the timeout as it appears you are assuming.
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Post by stevehorn on Dec 9, 2019 19:29:33 GMT -5
That's a pretty common practice. An assistant may see something that the HC didn't pick up on. The HC is just getting quick feedback. I understand it is common, I just don't understand why. I definitely understand specialty coaches breaking out players into small groups during a timeout. I don't understand why the coaches have not been talking all match and are not already prepared for the timeout. If you get to the point that your team needs a timeout, the coaches should have been talking about the issues and remedies for several plays at least. It is not a surprise. It honestly seems like a "lazy" practice to me, not well thought out and not efficient. Here is my really bad analogy: A NASCAR pit crew doesn't wait until the car pulls into the pit to discuss what they are going to service, how, and which team member is doing exactly what. Why don't volleyball coaches seem prepared at all when they pull their teams in for a pit stop? See my prior post. This occurred at the end of the break between the sets, not at the beginning.
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Post by stevehorn on Dec 9, 2019 19:35:10 GMT -5
Cheese and Rice! This thread is growing faster than I can read through the damn thing. Had to jump to last page.
As a UCSB grad...wish it would at least have been caught by official and they ding them for a point. Texas probably still would have taken it as they are a stronger team playing at home, but that was total BS. Is there a rule that says this is a point penalty?
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 9, 2019 20:33:41 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure most of us just want to ensure that this doesn’t set precedent for anyone to just waltz up to the bench, be it a rando or a brilliant tactician. And that Texas / whoever let her go to the bench knows what they did was wrong. You too btw since your judgement is clouded
Yeah, we ALL know how unbiased you are when it comes to Texas . . .
The amount of attention it’s getting isn’t because it’s “Texas”. The amount of attention is because it happened to a well known program. It gets every bit the same attention if it’s any of the 5-6 top programs.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 9, 2019 20:34:59 GMT -5
It’s women’s volleyball. Nobody cares Right. This is my point, which is why I think anyone awaiting any real sanctions from the NCAA is fooling themselves. Was not my point at all.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 9, 2019 20:36:35 GMT -5
Not that I'm defending anything Texas did in this situation, or that Elliot let this happen. One of the hardest things to do as a coach is to not over coach. Sometimes the best move is to let the players coach themselves. Not that that is exactly what happened in this instance, but he probably thought this was the right move for his team at that moment. I don't think it speaks to anything about that other coach. Right. Which means that he thought it would help, i.e., it would positively affect the outcome. Who knows if it actually did but the Texas coaches must have believed that it would (or at least it had a higher probability of doing so than anything they could say). Elliot said it impacted play which is an admission it impacted the outcome at least from his perspective.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 9, 2019 20:54:29 GMT -5
Elliot said it impacted play which is an admission it impacted the outcome at least from his perspective. I thought Mick Haley's response was interesting. Aside from saying they will probably have to address the issue because you can't have people just walking into your huddle, I took his response as being a little incredulous that a head coach would allow someone to do that. Can anybody picture Haley standing off quietly on the side while somebody else takes over his team for a moment in that situation? I can't. Well, he sorta did that with Toshi and the National Team.
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Post by knowitall on Dec 9, 2019 20:57:49 GMT -5
I really don't see the big deal. This happens in football all of the time. There are always former players and current pro players on the sidelines talking to the players during the game. It is also common for people to have former players talk to the team in the locker room before a game.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 9, 2019 21:02:25 GMT -5
I really don't see the big deal. This happens in football all of the time. There are always former players and current pro players on the sidelines talking to the players during the game. It is also common for people to have former players talk to the team in the locker room before a game. Good lord.
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Post by kolohekeiki on Dec 9, 2019 21:02:56 GMT -5
I really don't see the big deal. This happens in football all of the time. There are always former players and current pro players on the sidelines talking to the players during the game. It is also common for people to have former players talk to the team in the locker room before a game. In the locker before the game is different than a fan coming down from the stands to enter a team huddle and address the team during a match.
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