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Post by donut on Dec 10, 2019 21:20:11 GMT -5
But that’s all hypothetical. How consistently has Washington/Kentucky actually played at their best? Their average/normal play is really all that matters when discussing a matchup. If playing at their best was so achievable, both teams would have less than 6 losses. I agree and think any of these teams can make it out. But who beats who at their best just doesn’t seem like the best basis for discussing which team it is that will make it. I think in the tournament you should assume that both teams are going to be playing at their best. Plus, a team can play well above their "season average" in the tournament (it's only 6 games). Additionally, if you're discussing a matchup, you're going to look at the recent tape over the "average/normal" tape from throughout the season. I also don't think any coach is going to tell his team (for example) "well, Edmond CAN BE really good, but she's inconsistent, so we're going to prepare for her being average or bad." But I think that's a bit beside the point. I'll speak for Kentucky because I watch much more Kentucky volleyball than Washington volleyball, but Baylor's resume-boosters are from the same time as some as Kentucky's resume-sinkers, when Skinner was trying Edmond on the right, and doing other weird things with the line-up. So it's not as simple as "if they were better, they wouldn't have 6 losses." I'm not saying Kentucky is definitely better than Baylor. I'm not even very confident Kentucky is going to beat a good Washington team. But I do think Kentucky matches up well with Baylor, because Kentucky is a tough serving team (Baylor has had their serve-receive troubles, and Lockin can struggle to get clean touches on OOS balls) AND Kentucky may have two of the best first contacts in the NCAA so they can move the ball around. What Baylor has going for them: VDM on the right (who has been improving) to slow down Stumler and Edmond.
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Post by vb watcher on Dec 10, 2019 21:27:47 GMT -5
If you think Kentucky can give Baylor trouble because of their serving, then you may wish to reconsider Baylor being there. Purdue is on fire lately with their serving.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 10, 2019 21:37:15 GMT -5
We spend the entire season, every year, talking about how important serve and pass is, and then when we get to the Sweet Sixteen everybody acts all shocked that nearly all the teams that are left are good serving and passing teams.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 10, 2019 21:39:59 GMT -5
We're talking about our expectations of who is going to win a volleyball match. Example, last Friday I was extremely certain that Washington was going to defeat Winthrop. Does that have to mean I was dissing Winthrop? I totally expect Baylor is going to beat Purdue. But the thing is, I fully admit, straight up, that I'm willing to disrespect Purdue in this matter.
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Post by TuesdayGone on Dec 10, 2019 22:05:16 GMT -5
These two teams match up interestingly. Each has a star 6-rotation senior OH and also have exactly 6 losses. Both lost to Utah this season (UW split) but beat South Carolina. On the other hand Creighton beat Kentucky and lost to UW, while Southern cal swept UW but lost to Kentucky. Makes the transitive property difficult to apply here. It'll be interesting to see which team(s) comes out and plays to its potential. Kentucky beat USC without Lanier
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 10, 2019 22:29:34 GMT -5
Calm down , I have nothing against Baylor. I just wouldn’t be surprised if UW wins the regional I agree and think any of these teams can make it out. But who beats who at their best just doesn’t seem like the best basis for discussing which team it is that will make it. Baylor certainly deserves to be favored. All of the teams in this regional are talented, however, or they wouldn't be here. Best Wins (Against Seeded Competition): Baylor: 2. Texas, 4. Wisconsin, 12. Hawaii Washington: 3. Stanford, 4. Wisconsin (2) Both teams have players capable of taking over matches. In the subregionals: Kara Bajema UW 5s, 38k, 7.6k/s, .565, 39.0pts, 7.8pts/s Marieke Van der Mark BU 6s, 26k, 4.33k/s, .649, 28.5pts, 4.75pts/s Yossiana Pressley BU 6s, 24k, 4.0k/s, .233, 27.0pts, 4.5pts/s
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Post by bball on Dec 10, 2019 22:45:10 GMT -5
Kentucky has got the goods to win this match.
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Post by jwvolley on Dec 10, 2019 22:57:44 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see what a Kentucky team without Edmond looks like next year. I’m not convinced. I say Washington takes this btw
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Post by horns1 on Dec 10, 2019 23:04:56 GMT -5
This is a subjective question, but who is the best setter in this regional?
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Post by donut on Dec 10, 2019 23:08:07 GMT -5
This is a subjective question, but who is the best setter in this regional? Easily Madison Lilley.
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Post by horns1 on Dec 10, 2019 23:16:47 GMT -5
This is a subjective question, but who is the best setter in this regional? Easily Madison Lilley. That's what I was thinking, but wanted some other opinions.
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 10, 2019 23:19:21 GMT -5
But that’s all hypothetical. How consistently has Washington/Kentucky actually played at their best? Their average/normal play is really all that matters when discussing a matchup. If playing at their best was so achievable, both teams would have less than 6 losses. I agree and think any of these teams can make it out. But who beats who at their best just doesn’t seem like the best basis for discussing which team it is that will make it. I think in the tournament you should assume that both teams are going to be playing at their best. Plus, a team can play well above their "season average" in the tournament (it's only 6 games). Additionally, if you're discussing a matchup, you're going to look at the recent tape over the "average/normal" tape from throughout the season. I also don't think any coach is going to tell his team (for example) "well, Edmond CAN BE really good, but she's inconsistent, so we're going to prepare for her being average or bad." But I think that's a bit beside the point. I'll speak for Kentucky because I watch much more Kentucky volleyball than Washington volleyball, but Baylor's resume-boosters are from the same time as some as Kentucky's resume-sinkers, when Skinner was trying Edmond on the right, and doing other weird things with the line-up. So it's not as simple as "if they were better, they wouldn't have 6 losses." I'm not saying Kentucky is definitely better than Baylor. I'm not even very confident Kentucky is going to beat a good Washington team. But I do think Kentucky matches up well with Baylor, because Kentucky is a tough serving team (Baylor has had their serve-receive troubles, and Lockin can struggle to get clean touches on OOS balls) AND Kentucky may have two of the best first contacts in the NCAA so they can move the ball around. What Baylor has going for them: VDM on the right (who has been improving) to slow down Stumler and Edmond. These are great points! But if we are going to assume that all teams will be playing at their best, then why state that one team at their best would beat another team at their best. That itself creates more of a hypothetical “if” than if one had just said that they predict team x to win. That’s why I asked how consistently the teams are actually playing at their best. I don’t watch enough of Washington/Kentucky to know that. Have they been leaving more to be desired lately or has their play recently been at their best? Baylor has gotten away without playing their best at times but have really hit a stride since the Texas match. I feel confident that the best Baylor can show up going into the weekend but that can’t be said about every team. It’s really just more of a question about consistency rather than potential.
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Post by horns1 on Dec 10, 2019 23:37:55 GMT -5
I think in the tournament you should assume that both teams are going to be playing at their best. Plus, a team can play well above their "season average" in the tournament (it's only 6 games). Additionally, if you're discussing a matchup, you're going to look at the recent tape over the "average/normal" tape from throughout the season. I also don't think any coach is going to tell his team (for example) "well, Edmond CAN BE really good, but she's inconsistent, so we're going to prepare for her being average or bad." But I think that's a bit beside the point. I'll speak for Kentucky because I watch much more Kentucky volleyball than Washington volleyball, but Baylor's resume-boosters are from the same time as some as Kentucky's resume-sinkers, when Skinner was trying Edmond on the right, and doing other weird things with the line-up. So it's not as simple as "if they were better, they wouldn't have 6 losses." I'm not saying Kentucky is definitely better than Baylor. I'm not even very confident Kentucky is going to beat a good Washington team. But I do think Kentucky matches up well with Baylor, because Kentucky is a tough serving team (Baylor has had their serve-receive troubles, and Lockin can struggle to get clean touches on OOS balls) AND Kentucky may have two of the best first contacts in the NCAA so they can move the ball around. What Baylor has going for them: VDM on the right (who has been improving) to slow down Stumler and Edmond. These are great points! But if we are going to assume that all teams will be playing at their best, then why state that one team at their best would beat another team at their best. That itself creates more of a hypothetical “if” than if one had just said that they predict team x to win. That’s why I asked how consistently the teams are actually playing at their best. I don’t watch enough of Washington/Kentucky to know that. Have they been leaving more to be desired lately or has their play recently been at their best? Baylor has gotten away without playing their best at times but have really hit a stride since the Texas match. I feel confident that the best Baylor can show up going into the weekend but that can’t be said about every team. It’s really just more of a question about consistency rather than potential. Baylor played great against Texas at home and deserved the win.
But, two matches later, Baylor went to West Virginia and needed 4 sets to earn a hard-fought win over a very bad WVU team: 30-32, 25-23, 25-22, 25-17. Can't say I agree that this is a match you can count as "hitting a stride".
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Post by chisovnik on Dec 10, 2019 23:44:19 GMT -5
This might be the most evenly matched match in the tournament. I’m excited.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Dec 10, 2019 23:48:59 GMT -5
This is a subjective question, but who is the best setter in this regional? KA-POWell
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