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Post by dc on Dec 14, 2019 19:24:46 GMT -5
Inviting the team to break itself into factions? That’s trying too hard. Not everything is a conspiracy. Conspiracy? What you talkin’ bout Willis? It’s only part of the other team that is out there in fellowship, seconds after the game is over. So the team is split. Sorry for the use of the word faction...lol Part of the team is in the locker room, and part of the team is in fellowship with the other team.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 14, 2019 19:25:57 GMT -5
Inviting the team to break itself into factions? That’s trying too hard. Not everything is a conspiracy. Conspiracy? What you talkin’ bout Willis? It’s only part of the other team that is out there in fellowship, seconds after the game is over. So the team is split. Sorry for the use of the word faction...lol Part of the team is in the locker room, and part of the team is in fellowship with the other team. Did u guys not hear Nebraska fans are imploding right now😂😂
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 14, 2019 19:28:10 GMT -5
Inviting the team to break itself into factions? That’s trying too hard. Not everything is a conspiracy. Conspiracy? What you talkin’ bout Willis? It’s only part of the other team that is out there in fellowship, seconds after the game is over. So the team is split. Sorry for the use of the word faction...lol Part of the team is in the locker room, and part of the team is in fellowship with the other team. The entire Washington team was there in the circle.
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Post by dc on Dec 14, 2019 19:30:20 GMT -5
Conspiracy? What you talkin’ bout Willis? It’s only part of the other team that is out there in fellowship, seconds after the game is over. So the team is split. Sorry for the use of the word faction...lol Part of the team is in the locker room, and part of the team is in fellowship with the other team. The entire Washington team was there in the circle. That's better. I bet that hasn't happened very often. Is USC the only other time?
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 14, 2019 19:37:04 GMT -5
The entire Washington team was there in the circle. That's better. I bet that hasn't happened very often. Is USC the only other time? I’ve never seen the opponent split up and I’ve been at just about every home match. Usually everyone joins in the circle. If anyone declines, it’s as a team.
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Post by tomclen on Dec 14, 2019 19:39:16 GMT -5
What has always struck me as somewhat odd is the traditional end of a match routine. Going through the line saying, "Good game, good game, good game, good game, good game, good game, good game, good game, good game" and then departing without speaking or interacting with other players in any fashion.
So if another team wants to break that stilted tradition, that's fine by me. I get that some want to separate church and sports, but no one's being forced to do anything.
Maybe if the TV network didn't always treat it like it's some human oddity, we wouldn't be talking about it.
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Post by dc on Dec 14, 2019 19:39:59 GMT -5
That's better. I bet that hasn't happened very often. Is USC the only other time? I’ve never seen the opponent split up and I’ve been at just about every home match. Usually everyone joins in the circle. If anyone declines, it’s as a team. My impression was that at Wisconsin it was not everyone. My personal opinion is it should be everyone or no one.
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 14, 2019 19:45:01 GMT -5
I’ve never seen the opponent split up and I’ve been at just about every home match. Usually everyone joins in the circle. If anyone declines, it’s as a team. My impression was that at Wisconsin it was not everyone. My personal opinion is it should be everyone or no one. I agree. It would be divisive if only part of the team joined. But I’ve never seen that and I’ve been at Baylor games for years.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Dec 14, 2019 19:48:38 GMT -5
Inviting the team to break itself into factions? That’s trying too hard. Not everything is a conspiracy. Conspiracy? What you talkin’ bout Willis? It’s only part of the other team that is out there in fellowship, seconds after the game is over. So the team is split. Sorry for the use of the word faction...lol Part of the team is in the locker room, and part of the team is in fellowship with the other team. And...? So?
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Post by dc on Dec 14, 2019 19:49:18 GMT -5
Conspiracy? What you talkin’ bout Willis? It’s only part of the other team that is out there in fellowship, seconds after the game is over. So the team is split. Sorry for the use of the word faction...lol Part of the team is in the locker room, and part of the team is in fellowship with the other team. And...? So? So what
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 14, 2019 19:55:04 GMT -5
My impression was that at Wisconsin it was not everyone. My personal opinion is it should be everyone or no one. I agree. It would be divisive if only part of the team joined. But I’ve never seen that and I’ve been at Baylor games for years. I have to ask again, do you folks understand the concept of peer pressure? Given the statistics in this country, it seems very likely that most teams might have some players who would like to do this praying thing, and some players (including some religious players) who would not like to. Now you are asking each team to decide a) will they pressure some players into doing this against their will? or b) will they pressure some players into not doing this against their will? or c) will they split their team up? I went to a religious school. I understand the social contract that if you *choose* to go to a religious school, you may be choosing to be drawn into religious activities. I have no problem with the idea that Baylor has a team prayer. But other teams don't make a voluntary choice to play Baylor in sports. (Or at least, it's not the same kind of voluntary choice.) So now you are extending that choice to people who did not voluntarily sign up for the spectacle of whether they are going to be asked to pray in the middle of a large crowd of spectators and in front of a remote viewing audience.
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Post by tomclen on Dec 14, 2019 19:55:56 GMT -5
My impression was that at Wisconsin it was not everyone. My personal opinion is it should be everyone or no one. I agree. It would be divisive if only part of the team joined. But I’ve never seen that and I’ve been at Baylor games for years. It happens in the NFL all the time. Some players gather after the match, others don't. I don't believe the players who don't feel any slight.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Dec 14, 2019 20:19:49 GMT -5
I agree. It would be divisive if only part of the team joined. But I’ve never seen that and I’ve been at Baylor games for years. I have to ask again, do you folks understand the concept of peer pressure? Given the statistics in this country, it seems very likely that most teams might have some players who would like to do this praying thing, and some players (including some religious players) who would not like to. Now you are asking each team to decide a) will they pressure some players into doing this against their will? or b) will they pressure some players into not doing this against their will? or c) will they split their team up? I went to a religious school. I understand the social contract that if you *choose* to go to a religious school, you may be choosing to be drawn into religious activities. I have no problem with the idea that Baylor has a team prayer. But other teams don't make a voluntary choice to play Baylor in sports. (Or at least, it's not the same kind of voluntary choice.) So now you are extending that choice to people who did not voluntarily sign up for the spectacle of whether they are going to be asked to pray in the middle of a large crowd of spectators and in front of a remote viewing audience. I respect you, but this sounds like pearl-clutching over a non-issue.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 14, 2019 20:27:12 GMT -5
I have to ask again, do you folks understand the concept of peer pressure? Given the statistics in this country, it seems very likely that most teams might have some players who would like to do this praying thing, and some players (including some religious players) who would not like to. Now you are asking each team to decide a) will they pressure some players into doing this against their will? or b) will they pressure some players into not doing this against their will? or c) will they split their team up? I went to a religious school. I understand the social contract that if you *choose* to go to a religious school, you may be choosing to be drawn into religious activities. I have no problem with the idea that Baylor has a team prayer. But other teams don't make a voluntary choice to play Baylor in sports. (Or at least, it's not the same kind of voluntary choice.) So now you are extending that choice to people who did not voluntarily sign up for the spectacle of whether they are going to be asked to pray in the middle of a large crowd of spectators and in front of a remote viewing audience. I respect you, but this sounds like pearl-clutching over a non-issue. There is a reason why these discussions are not allowed on this board. I don't know or care what "pearl clutching" is supposed to mean, but if it was a "non-issue" then why are people arguing about it from both sides? There are a sh*tload of things that seem like "non-issues" to people who are in the majority in a community that really are issues for people who are in the minority of that same community.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Dec 14, 2019 20:52:20 GMT -5
I respect you, but this sounds like pearl-clutching over a non-issue. There is a reason why these discussions are not allowed on this board. I don't know or care what "pearl clutching" is supposed to mean, but if it was a "non-issue" then why are people arguing about it from both sides? There are a sh*tload of things that seem like "non-issues" to people who are in the majority in a community that really are issues for people who are in the minority of that same community. I understand that people believe it’s an issue. I don’t understand why they think it’s THIS big a deal.
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