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Post by vballvball on Apr 26, 2021 19:55:11 GMT -5
how did no one warn Mizzou’s admin? |
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Post by gogophers on Apr 26, 2021 19:56:37 GMT -5
I did not call him racist but if he's a birther, he sure as hell is racist. If black and brown girls are running away from your program, then you have a problem with them. Does that clarify it for you? You don’t have to call him a racist, but I will call him a racist because he is. It’s out there now. I can say from 1st hand experience that Josh Taylor is a racist. I told him to his face that he is a racist. Karma is everything. He is getting all that he deserves. I am glad that the girls have finally taken a stance. If you are a black or brown girl, this is not the place for you. I don’t think they have to worry because he won’t recruit them anyway. When the black and brown girls called him out on it, they were suspended. One for sure filed a title IX complaint for racism and retaliation. He deleted his social media because he had made racist post. He deleted his social media accounts around June of 2020. Mizzou is aware because the girls have told them in their exit interviews. The Kreklows were nothing like this pair. I hate to see this happen to a program that the Kreklows built that was embracing of all ethnicities. Very sad. They need to fire Josh Taylor. Publicly labeling a coach a racist is, or should be, a serious thing. If you know the facts, why not disclose them to the board so that each of us can judge for himself or herself whether the facts support the conclusion that you have reached? If there is a rift between a coach and black and hispanic players, that is indeed a problem, and a serious problem at that. But the existence of a rift doesn't tell us how the rift came about or developed into open opposition. I'm particularly interested in your comment that a player has filed a complaint alleging retaliation. What are the facts there? A coach, especially one at a public institution, shouldn't retaliate against anyone merely for holding a particular view of a political issue. Whether the player did more than merely express her views, I don't know, because I don't know the facts. I am wondering aloud, not just about the Missouri situation but generally, whether it is possible, in these politicized times, for a coach to retain the respect of his players if it merely becomes known or suspected that the coach holds views on political issues that many of his players regard as abhorrent. And to put it less abstractly, whether a coach with known right-wing views can coach players who, white and black, increasingly view those with right-wing views as bad people deserving of bad labels, e.g., "racist," fascist." Of course, it is not always easy to separate merely holding a view and acting in some way in response to that view. Those with opposing views may feel--rightly or wrongly--that the coach doesn't like them because of the players' views. By the same token, however, there will be many, in these times, who will regard anyone with certain political viewpoints, even if widely shared, even if mainstream, as a horrible person per se, without anything more. In the case of the Missouri coach, I'm an agnostic, until more facts come out, as to whether the problem is that his players simply didn't like his political opinions or whether his conduct, in his role as coach, has fallen short of what it should be. |
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Post by beachindoor on Apr 26, 2021 19:58:24 GMT -5
how did no one warn Mizzou’s admin? I don't know anything about the admin's political views, but if they were aligned with his stances on things then I can totally see them allowing "personal freedom" to justify. |
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Post by n00b on Apr 26, 2021 20:04:53 GMT -5
how did no one warn Mizzou’s admin? Warn the administration that he was a Republican? |
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Post by pittsburgh7717 on Apr 26, 2021 20:10:20 GMT -5
how did no one warn Mizzou’s admin? Warn the administration that he was a Republican? LMAOOOOO....hahahahaha |
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Post by fortheloveofvb on Apr 26, 2021 20:19:38 GMT -5
You don’t have to call him a racist, but I will call him a racist because he is. It’s out there now. I can say from 1st hand experience that Josh Taylor is a racist. I told him to his face that he is a racist. Karma is everything. He is getting all that he deserves. I am glad that the girls have finally taken a stance. If you are a black or brown girl, this is not the place for you. I don’t think they have to worry because he won’t recruit them anyway. When the black and brown girls called him out on it, they were suspended. One for sure filed a title IX complaint for racism and retaliation. He deleted his social media because he had made racist post. He deleted his social media accounts around June of 2020. Mizzou is aware because the girls have told them in their exit interviews. The Kreklows were nothing like this pair. I hate to see this happen to a program that the Kreklows built that was embracing of all ethnicities. Very sad. They need to fire Josh Taylor. Publicly labeling a coach a racist is, or should be, a serious thing. If you know the facts, why not disclose them to the board so that each of us can judge for himself or herself whether the facts support the conclusion that you have reached? If there is a rift between a coach and black and hispanic players, that is indeed a problem, and a serious problem at that. But the existence of a rift doesn't tell us how the rift came about or developed into open opposition. I'm particularly interested in your comment that a player has filed a complaint alleging retaliation. What are the facts there? A coach, especially one at a public institution, shouldn't retaliate against anyone merely for holding a particular view of a political issue. Whether the player did more than merely express her views, I don't know, because I don't know the facts. I am wondering aloud, not just about the Missouri situation but generally, whether it is possible, in these politicized times, for a coach to retain the respect of his players if it merely becomes known or suspected that the coach holds views on political issues that many of his players regard as abhorrent. And to put it less abstractly, whether a coach with known right-wing views can coach players who, white and black, increasingly view those with right-wing views as bad people deserving of bad labels, e.g., "racist," fascist." Of course, it is not always easy to separate merely holding a view and acting in some way in response to that view. Those with opposing views may feel--rightly or wrongly--that the coach doesn't like them because of the players' views. By the same token, however, there will be many, in these times, who will regard anyone with certain political viewpoints, even if widely shared, even if mainstream, as a horrible person per se, without anything more. In the case of the Missouri coach, I'm an agnostic, until more facts come out, as to whether the problem is that his players simply didn't like his political opinions or whether his conduct, in his role as coach, has fallen short of what it should be. Calling a coach a racist is very serious and it is not something that I would do unless I knew for sure. I don’t know what his political views are and I don’t care. This isn’t about politics at all. This started well before the racial tensions that developed last summer. This has to do with his views and feelings about people of color. In the beginning, I called them micro aggressions. But there were too many micro aggressions. I don’t know what more proof you need. You can believe it or not. This is not gossip, this is first hand experience. |
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Post by pittpittpitt on Apr 26, 2021 20:20:29 GMT -5
I did not call him racist but if he's a birther, he sure as hell is racist. If black and brown girls are running away from your program, then you have a problem with them. Does that clarify it for you? You don’t have to call him a racist, but I will call him a racist because he is. It’s out there now. I can say from 1st hand experience that Josh Taylor is a racist. I told him to his face that he is a racist. Karma is everything. He is getting all that he deserves. I am glad that the girls have finally taken a stance. If you are a black or brown girl, this is not the place for you. I don’t think they have to worry because he won’t recruit them anyway. When the black and brown girls called him out on it, they were suspended. One for sure filed a title IX complaint for racism and retaliation. He deleted his social media because he had made racist post. He deleted his social media accounts around June of 2020. Mizzou is aware because the girls have told them in their exit interviews. The Kreklows were nothing like this pair. I hate to see this happen to a program that the Kreklows built that was embracing of all ethnicities. Very sad. They need to fire Josh Taylor. Looking at your posts and possible involvement in this situation, I hope you are okay and that the girls who were affected find a better place at different programs. You might not be one of the players, maybe you are, but you have clearly seen it happen and I can imagine the relieve of the story breaking. Obviously we have to wait to see the full story to make claims but one thing is for sure, we don’t support racist coaches |
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Post by trojansc on Apr 26, 2021 20:22:35 GMT -5
how did no one warn Mizzou’s admin? Warn the administration that he was a Republican? Let's assume the original accusation is true. Is being a birther something that an administration should potentially be worried about? |
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Post by baytree on Apr 26, 2021 20:30:02 GMT -5
Warn the administration that he was a Republican? Let's assume the original accusation is true. Is being a birther something that an administration should potentially be worried about? They should have been told about this: "When the black and brown girls called him out on it, they were suspended." Regardless of Taylor's political views, if some of his players feel like he's being racist, he shouldn't retaliate. That's never ok for a coach. It's worse bc it's a state school so it's the state of Missouri retaliating against players for raising concerns about racial discrimination. The administration should definitely be worried about that, esp given the racial tension on Mizzou's campus. |
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Post by trojansc on Apr 26, 2021 20:39:02 GMT -5
Let's assume the original accusation is true. Is being a birther something that an administration should potentially be worried about? They should have been told about this: "When the black and brown girls called him out on it, they were suspended." Regardless of Taylor's political views, if some of his players feel like he's being racist, he shouldn't retaliate. That's never ok for a coach. It's worse bc it's a state school so it's the state of Missouri retaliating against players for raising concerns about racial discrimination. The administration should definitely be worried about that, esp given the racial tension on Mizzou's campus. Completely agree. At one of my old jobs there was a running joke about me and retaliation, the union rep would get mad at me because I would always warn other employees when they were going to blow the whistle to beware of notorious retaliation. "That's illegal! They can't retaliate", he would say. I would respond with they can, will, and are effective at covering it up or masking it. Unfortunate, but true. Luckily I don't work there anymore, they're out of business now and have already lost one class-action lawsuit while another is pending! |
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Post by BadgerAce42 on Apr 26, 2021 21:16:58 GMT -5
I did not call him racist but if he's a birther, he sure as hell is racist. If black and brown girls are running away from your program, then you have a problem with them. Does that clarify it for you? You don’t have to call him a racist, but I will call him a racist because he is. It’s out there now. I can say from 1st hand experience that Josh Taylor is a racist. I told him to his face that he is a racist. Karma is everything. He is getting all that he deserves. I am glad that the girls have finally taken a stance. If you are a black or brown girl, this is not the place for you. I don’t think they have to worry because he won’t recruit them anyway. When the black and brown girls called him out on it, they were suspended. One for sure filed a title IX complaint for racism and retaliation. He deleted his social media because he had made racist post. He deleted his social media accounts around June of 2020. Mizzou is aware because the girls have told them in their exit interviews. The Kreklows were nothing like this pair. I hate to see this happen to a program that the Kreklows built that was embracing of all ethnicities. Very sad. They need to fire Josh Taylor. How is Munlyn standing this?! |
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Apr 26, 2021 21:17:43 GMT -5
You don’t have to call him a racist, but I will call him a racist because he is. It’s out there now. I can say from 1st hand experience that Josh Taylor is a racist. I told him to his face that he is a racist. Karma is everything. He is getting all that he deserves. I am glad that the girls have finally taken a stance. If you are a black or brown girl, this is not the place for you. I don’t think they have to worry because he won’t recruit them anyway. When the black and brown girls called him out on it, they were suspended. One for sure filed a title IX complaint for racism and retaliation. He deleted his social media because he had made racist post. He deleted his social media accounts around June of 2020. Mizzou is aware because the girls have told them in their exit interviews. The Kreklows were nothing like this pair. I hate to see this happen to a program that the Kreklows built that was embracing of all ethnicities. Very sad. They need to fire Josh Taylor. How is Munlyn standing this?! Great question! |
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 26, 2021 21:26:42 GMT -5
how did no one warn Mizzou’s admin? Warn the administration that he was a Republican? Birthers/QAnon are not Republicans. Or at least certainly not conservatives. They’re just flat out lunatics. |
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Post by rjaege on Apr 26, 2021 21:37:43 GMT -5
I have no knowledge of the situation at Mizzou, but it must be anchored in racism, everything else is lately. 2020 was the year of covid. 2021 is rapidly developing into the year of racism. The country is a mess and maybe volleyball too. Just my ignorant opinion, but at least I don't claim otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 21:44:59 GMT -5
I have no knowledge of the situation at Mizzou, but it must be anchored in racism, everything else is lately. 2020 was the year of covid. 2021 is rapidly developing into the year of racism. The country is a mess and maybe volleyball too. Just my ignorant opinion, but at least I don't claim otherwise. It’s because anytime someone doesn’t get their way they scream racism and catering to this just breeds more of it. Some situations that presents itself but people are abusing the term. |
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