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Post by dunninla3 on Feb 1, 2020 20:56:52 GMT -5
USD: 51%; SDSU: 34%. Per USNWR. Acceptance rates do not tell the entire story. Look at the student profile comparisons: USD SDSU SAT: 1275 1212 ACT: 28 25 GPA: 3.9 3.73 SDSU is technically more selective, because they their acceptance rates are lower. That has more to do with sheer volume of applications vs room in the incoming class. However, the student academic profile is actually higher at USD. What we don't know, however, is threshholds.
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SDSU may use an GPA/SAT formula, where the bottom might be 1150 SAT, and 3.5 GPA. The computer won't allow anyone in under those threshholds.
USD might have a broad range, where their desirability sees a lot of 1300, 4.2, but they also accept 1050 and 3.3, but it in very small numbers that don't move the median much. They have flexibility as a private school. And with tuition what it is, I would suggest they DO accept 1050, 3.2 whereas SDSU cannot by formula.
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Post by clob on Feb 1, 2020 21:05:46 GMT -5
USD will admit anyone who can pay.
They're like second choice for future WCC students who couldn't get into Gonzaga (for weird reasons) or Pepperdine (because they don't love God enough).
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Post by Mocha on Feb 1, 2020 23:20:04 GMT -5
Have you ever been to an SDSU football game? I have not. Don't worry, neither has everybody else. SDSU home games are sparsely attended, hardly a big-time college atmosphere.
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Post by dunninla3 on Feb 1, 2020 23:54:08 GMT -5
Don't worry, neither has everybody else. SDSU home games are sparsely attended, hardly a big-time college atmosphere. So are UCLA's when they're having a tough season. So are USC's when they're having a tough season.
Win, put people in a good mood, and they fill the stands.
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Post by veritas on Feb 2, 2020 0:26:09 GMT -5
Do the recruits get penalized in any way when the coach violates recruiting rules? I don't mean for major infractions, but can they get penalized for little things (like rules they didn't know they were violating)? If they accept a meal that isn't legal, they'll need to donate the value of the meal to a charity. That's about as severe as it gets. The schools are responsible for knowing and following the rules, not the kids. They are not kids.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Feb 2, 2020 0:44:25 GMT -5
USD: 51%; SDSU: 34%. Per USNWR. Acceptance rates do not tell the entire story. Look at the student profile comparisons: USD SDSU SAT: 1275 1212 ACT: 28 25 GPA: 3.9 3.73 SDSU is technically more selective, because they their acceptance rates are lower. That has more to do with sheer volume of applications vs room in the incoming class. However, the student academic profile is actually higher at USD. The “academic profile,” as it were, might be higher, but USD remains a relatively easy school to get into, and is not - as someone above stated - considered “prestigious.” It’s a perfectly fine university, with an excellent undergrad engineering program, for one. But if a prospective S/A is looking for top notch academics in the the WCC, there are better choices than USD - Pepp, Santa Clara, Gonzaga, LMU, St. Mary’s, even BYU. I stand by my original comment, which was SDSU can recruit the same kids as USD. There really isn’t some huge gap between the two. I do wonder if people are mistaking USD for UCSD, which is a whole different kettle of academic fish.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Feb 2, 2020 0:46:25 GMT -5
Don't worry, neither has everybody else. SDSU home games are sparsely attended, hardly a big-time college atmosphere. Ever been to a SDSU basketball game at Vieja? They outdraw every school on the west coast.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Feb 2, 2020 1:16:26 GMT -5
USD will admit anyone who can pay. They're like second choice for future WCC students who couldn't get into Gonzaga (for weird reasons) or Pepperdine (because they don't love God enough). I think a lot of people underestimate Pepperdine's weird draw for the nexus of people who love both Jesus and sunshine. A kid a couple of classes in front of me in HS had a 1600 SAT score and chose Pepperdine over Stanford and a couple of Ivies - WHO GAVE HIM BETTER FINANCIAL OFFERS. And he wasn't from a wealthy family. It's also why Pepperdine really should be doing better on the VB court than they are. That conservative demographic I mentioned they pull exceptionally well from isn't exactly rare among the upper echelons of VB PSAs.
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Post by vbnerd on Feb 2, 2020 7:43:46 GMT -5
If they accept a meal that isn't legal, they'll need to donate the value of the meal to a charity. That's about as severe as it gets. The schools are responsible for knowing and following the rules, not the kids. They are not kids. Just to be clear, I was referring to the 15-16 year old recruits. So not being 18, yes, they are kids.
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Post by dunninla3 on Feb 2, 2020 12:31:22 GMT -5
USD will admit anyone who can pay. They're like second choice for future WCC students who couldn't get into Gonzaga (for weird reasons) or Pepperdine (because they don't love God enough). I think a lot of people underestimate Pepperdine's weird draw for the nexus of people who love both Jesus and sunshine. It would be better to say "who love Jesus and the beach", inasmuch as Baylor also appeals to the same, but without the beach. They are both dry campuses.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 15:16:54 GMT -5
Don't worry, neither has everybody else. SDSU home games are sparsely attended, hardly a big-time college atmosphere. Actually I said a larger school with a better football (basketball) experience. Never alluded to it being a big-time college atmosphere. Just a tougher schedule and better opponents than USD and a better record this past year as well. As another poster pointed out basketball draws big-time though.
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Post by bayarea on Feb 3, 2020 13:44:51 GMT -5
USD will admit anyone who can pay. They're like second choice for future WCC students who couldn't get into Gonzaga (for weird reasons) or Pepperdine (because they don't love God enough). I had to dig deep into the WCC thread to find this post from October: Since college athetics is about the education, as well as the athletic experience, here are the WCC schools in the 2020 US News Top National Universities (most - 7 - are in the top 100): www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities#50 - Pepperdine
#54 - Santa Clara
#64 - Loyola Marymount
#77 - Brigham Young
#79 - Gonzaga
#91 - San Diego
#97 - San Francisco
#125 - University of the PacificSanta Clara(#1) and LMU (#3) were previously listed as Regional Universities - West. They have been re-classified this year into National Universities. University of Portland holds the current rank of #2 Regional University - West Saint Mary's College of California is currently #T-5 Regional University - West Read more: volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/76411/wcc-2019-official-thread#ixzz6Cuyur9F4---------- SDSU is ranked #147, but the more important statistic is that in-state tuition is only $7510/year.Tuition and fees for USD are $51,186/year.I have seen players recently offered 2-years of scholarship in the WCC who elected to take that same offer from a state school instead, because of the huge difference in the cost burden for their families.
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Post by azvolleydad on Feb 3, 2020 13:52:51 GMT -5
USD will admit anyone who can pay. They're like second choice for future WCC students who couldn't get into Gonzaga (for weird reasons) or Pepperdine (because they don't love God enough). I agree that Gonzaga is a more prestigious university, but the notion that admission ratings prove that is odd. Gonzaga (66% acceptance) and LUM LMU (51.8%) are less selective than USD (51.4%).
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Post by azvolleydad on Feb 3, 2020 13:59:59 GMT -5
SDSU is ranked #147, but the more important statistic is that in-state tuition is only $7510/year.Tuition and fees for USD are $51,186/year.I have seen players recently offered 2-years of scholarship in the WCC who elected to take that same offer from a state school instead, because of the huge difference in the cost burden for their families. Good point, but it's not just in-state. Estimated cost of attendance at SDSU $30,522 (in-state) $42,402 (out-of-state). Estimated cost of attendance at USD $67,211.
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Feb 4, 2020 3:08:26 GMT -5
This is assuming that SD kids want to stay in SD. Sort of boggles my mind anyone would want to leave San Diego............. It does happen... I hated my time in San Diego. Granted, I recognize, I'm in the 1% of people who do not like San Diego... but there you have it.
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