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Post by hochee on Dec 27, 2019 20:37:22 GMT -5
Besides, Meatloaf is clearly a baseball guy.
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Post by letsbeclear on Dec 27, 2019 20:43:36 GMT -5
should members of the military get offended when someone says something along the lines of "thank you for your service"? I think Meatloaf said it best: "There's a party raging somewhere in the world You gotta serve your country, gotta service your girl You're all enlisted in the armies of the night" When meatloaf is quoted it’s time to close a thread Meatloaf is not dessert.
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Post by vbcarl on Dec 27, 2019 21:10:59 GMT -5
Why are you totally buying in on what the poster said? Did you double check his story? According to the OP's supposedly "first-hand" account, he said it, on microphone, in front of a large audience of fans. Not one has come on here to say it ain't so... It was a pre recorded video message that moved the fans in attendance, along with Baylor players and Stafford’s family. If the full video were available for viewing you’d see that the OP selectively chose a few words to fit their narrative rather than reflecting on the positive and encouraging message in full. Listening to interviews from Baylor players at the Final Four, you realize the appreciation the Baylor team has for their coach.
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Post by ironhammer on Dec 27, 2019 21:18:20 GMT -5
Not justifying what Ryan said, but what were you guys expecting? Baylor is a Baptist insitution in the South. Maybe not as hardcore or fundamentalist as say, Oral Roberts University (where I think some of those folks are downright crazy), but it still is a conservative university. So Baylor departed from the Southern Baptists, but you got some of it's alumni advocating intelligent design, so I am not the least bit surprised.
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Post by vbcarl on Dec 27, 2019 21:20:43 GMT -5
Really..... Regardless of Ryan said this as a liberal, Conservative, independent, Libertarian, Catholic, Muslim, Hindu, buddhist, agnostic, atheist, I do not care. I would call it out regardless. This is an outdated practice and should not have been said. NO women, and I repeat, NO women, should HAVE to serve their husband. Some choose to do so, thats ok. But they should never be told thats what their calling is in life. Would you have the same issue if McGuyre said to SERVE the poor? Would you still think the implication was that she shouldn’t have a career and simply devote every hour of her day that way? Men serve their wives, women serve their husbands. Again, the BAYLOR ASSISTANT COACH is a living breathing example of the program supporting a woman who had a child in early December and didn’t want that to interfere with her career goals so she was back on the bench just days after giving birth. You would not have said about those other groups because you wouldn’t have assumed the absolute worst meaning of the message if it was from somebody on the same team as you. He’s also supporting Stafford in her desire to play professional volleyball overseas.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 21:25:10 GMT -5
So what type of sauce do you serve with a husband? No sauce... Just a nice Chianti and a side of fava beans.
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Post by baytree on Dec 27, 2019 21:42:36 GMT -5
Baylor isn’t southern baptist and is solely aligned with the BGCT because the Southern Baptist were too conservative. Further, Baylor’s seminary (Truett) was started because Southwestern was too conservative. So, this notion that Baylor strictly adheres to biblical inerrancy is factually incorrect and clearly demonstrates a lack of knowledge of the university or its principals. The BGCT partners with the Southern Baptists and has adopted the Southern Baptist's 1963 Statement of Faith as their own. There's not a big gulf between the two. Many (most that I know) still believe that women must submit to their husbands and other aspects of the passage I quoted.
ETA: This page from Southern Baptist Conventions lists BGCT as one of the baptist orgs that contributes to the SBC:
In a 2019 story, the Houston Chronicle listed the BGCT as one of the largest Southern Baptist Convention state organizations
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 27, 2019 22:08:36 GMT -5
I wonder how this effects Baylor’s recruiting. Other Baylor coaches seem to downplay Baylor’s religious aspects. But McGuyre embraces it. Volleyball has been mostly a socially liberal sport for awhile but as the game grows it grows into conservative areas as well. Maybe there’s a market for evangelical conservatives who wouldn’t feel comfortable (or their parents wouldn’t feel comfortable) with them going to Stanford or UCLA. Two of Baylor’s biggest programs certainly embrace the religious aspects of the university. Men’s basketball also prays with the opposing team after games and Coach Drew, the head coach, is a faithful man that brings that into the program. The football team has also experienced a big turnaround lately under Matt Rhule and he has brought some of those same aspects to his team. This certainly could be beneficial in recruiting but may turn away some top recruits as well. I like your comment about reaching certain areas. Volleyball is a growing game, and as interest in the sport increases, there will be more girls who seek a program like Baylor’s. Coach McGuyre and his program have been advocates for the game. In the past two years they’ve taken trips to both Mexico and Kenya which includes hosting volleyball clinics for communities in those countries.
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Post by legolas9 on Dec 27, 2019 23:13:03 GMT -5
Can we please take this thread down. I could go into the numerous reasons of why this post is inappropriate, wrong and immature but don’t have the time or space to do it and then I would just be adding fuel to the fire. The fact you waited to post this 28 days after the match proves that you have some personal vendetta against their Coach (also the fact that 75% of your post are about him) and your response to people is calling them “stupid”. Volley talk is better than this, I know enough about the topic to say everyone can have their opinion but this clearly is someone who has a personal grudge. I also am not gonna trust the exact quote and context when it is given 28 days later. Let’s do better
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Post by jayj79 on Dec 28, 2019 0:59:15 GMT -5
should members of the military get offended when someone says something along the lines of "thank you for your service"? I think Meatloaf said it best: "There's a party raging somewhere in the world You gotta serve your country, gotta service your girl You're all enlisted in the armies of the night" When meatloaf is quoted it’s time to close a thread I'm gonna start a Meatloaf thread this offseason.
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Post by dodger on Dec 28, 2019 1:16:25 GMT -5
This thread does evoke strong opinions: discussion of religions and beliefs etc etc always seem too:) which is why i would surmise that avoiding discussing religion and politics: avoids heated disagreements in family gatherings! So please if your interested in having a better understanding of Baptist “family” doctrine and their biblical roots investigating, researching and reading would be well served here! I for one was motivated to know more and have a clearer understanding of what “serve” means in this baptist doctrine! But judging it as good or bad: has no merit in this situation really! Its a statement of religious doctrine for baptists! Read the doctrine understand it form your own educated opinion: but judging and condemning: is really unnecessary but unfortunately in life and especially here at VT, inevitable! Good luck and a happy life to all here who judge and be judged!? I wish you all the karma you have earned with your thoughts and judgements! And i also wish for world peace and a cure for cancer and an end to destroying the climate! Happy 2020!! ✌🏾, god bless, namaste, as-Salâm Alaikum , cest la vie, etc etc etc
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 28, 2019 3:28:17 GMT -5
Can we please take this thread down. I could go into the numerous reasons of why this post is inappropriate, wrong and immature but don’t have the time or space to do it and then I would just be adding fuel to the fire. The fact you waited to post this 28 days after the match proves that you have some personal vendetta against their Coach (also the fact that 75% of your post are about him) and your response to people is calling them “stupid”. Volley talk is better than this, I know enough about the topic to say everyone can have their opinion but this clearly is someone who has a personal grudge. I also am not gonna trust the exact quote and context when it is given 28 days later. Let’s do better I've not participated in this thread because I didn't think I had anything useful to add, but there are many precedents for discussing off-court incidents involving volleyball players and/coaches and/or staff. This guy was AVCA D1 COY and the discussion is about something that happened at the wedding of one of his players. In that respect this is a legit thread.
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Post by gobruins on Dec 28, 2019 5:44:12 GMT -5
It’s not like the students who go to this school don’t expect to be preached too. Thank God, we need one university in this country that doesn’t require safe places I am thinking that all those women who were raped by Baylor football and basketball players would have appreciated a "safe space".
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Post by gobruins on Dec 28, 2019 5:47:26 GMT -5
Women are breeders. The only reason for a woman to go to school is to find a husband (not start a career). Pop out babies, change nappies, clean house, dish out food, provide sex, and obey your husband. Vote for Trump. That's your biological destiny. God's plan. I have a couple friends from HS who openly stated their objective was to get their MRS degree... some were successful, some dropped out of the program for various self-actualization reasons. McGuyre's alma mater is Biola. Biola is an acronym for Bible Institute of Los Angeles. Some of the women attending the school jokingly refer to it as the Bridal Institute of Los Angeles.
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Post by dd2000 on Dec 28, 2019 6:34:55 GMT -5
^ no, the core issue here is why are we discussion religion on VT. Why don't we just move right on to Trump while we're at it? . That’s with this thread is really about, and attack on religion and a attack on Republican conservatives Snowflake. Stay away if the fire is feeling warm. Most see this as an issue that can be discussed without hyperbole. Most.
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