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Post by hornfanaustin on Jun 4, 2023 17:23:34 GMT -5
He's already said in private remarks there's an expectation of some indoor players playing beach. I wasn't a part of the conversation that was relayed to me, and much of it didn't make a whole lot of sense except as part of a sales pitch to a big money booster who doesn't know anything about beach volleyball, but that part seemed reasonable. He also mentioned he's planning on doing a lot of redshirting the first year, which made no sense to me. But maybe I just don't have a good context for the conversation. Apparently he wants a five court facility, but UT doesn't have room for that on their campus so they're planning on buying more land to build it. That's easier said than done. The land around UT is not as expensive as the land around UCLA, but it ain't cheap. Not sure how that's going to work. He also said he's turning down transfers at Texas that he would have taken at UCLA, which I don't believe for even one second. "...but it won't be up to him, of course." As an aside, Jerritt Elliott is his literal boss, with hiring and firing responsibilities on the org chart. It's an odd arrangement, but it also means if he's talking about having indoor players play beach, it's already been discussed. I would guess that the bulk of the freshmen incoming class would be redshirted as the transfers and indoor players could provide most of the top 6-7 pairs. Stein didn’t recruit the incoming Texas freshmen himself. Do you have a list of 2023 high school graduates who had signed with Texas? On Texas IG, I see Rella Binney as a 2024 commit. volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/79381/texas-recruiting-transfer-thread-2024
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Post by katn on Jun 4, 2023 19:11:43 GMT -5
carissa barnes played 4 yrs indoor @ texas a&m corpus christi & only 1 yr beach as an alternative
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Post by slxpress on Jun 4, 2023 19:59:36 GMT -5
I would be shocked if Barnes did anything at Texas in the spring. My bet is she gets the same kind of graduate certificate that players like Fleck, Ewert, and Caffey earned last year and then enrolls at a PT school in the spring. Assuming you can do that. I know PT school isn’t exactly flexible so it may be you can only enroll in the fall. My guess is she’s coming in as a walk on using NIL money to pay for part of her schooling in the fall while she takes a flyer on competing on a national championship contending team.
I just don’t see beach in the cards for her, but we’ll see.
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Post by burbank55 on Jun 5, 2023 6:18:00 GMT -5
I would guess that the bulk of the freshmen incoming class would be redshirted as the transfers and indoor players could provide most of the top 6-7 pairs. Stein didn’t recruit the incoming Texas freshmen himself. Do you have a list of 2023 high school graduates who had signed with Texas? On Texas IG, I see Rella Binney as a 2024 commit. I don’t have a list. Not sure I agree with you regarding Metzger not recruiting incoming beach freshmen, in the sense there wasn’t anyone else doing it. The indoor staff was not out there actively recruiting beach freshmen prior to arrival. The program was pretty much in a holding pattern regarding everything until the new head coach was in place. Yes, yes, I think we misunderstood each other. Due to my lack of familiarity with the burgeoning Texas beach program, I didn’t realize that there are no incoming 2023 “beach only” recruits. The vast majority of high level beach recruits sign LOI during the November signing period. Clearly Stein was not recruiting beach players to Texas last fall. It’s possible that he might still pick up some non-scholarship 2023 gem in the rough players that never signed with other programs. Unlikely though since transfers would be better choices. Hence, none of the incoming freshmen would have been recruited by Stein. I just didn’t realize there will be no beach only incoming freshmen this year. Since he was formally announced as Texas head coach on May 17, Stein has been recruiting future classes (graduating HS in 2024 and beyond). The elite 2024 recruits committed a year ago to the top programs so maybe he’ll be able to sway some of them to break their commitments. Also, we’ll get the 2025 recruit commitments soon starting June 15.
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Post by texashorns on Jun 6, 2023 13:35:25 GMT -5
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Post by texashorns on Jun 6, 2023 14:41:31 GMT -5
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Post by vballfanattic on Jun 6, 2023 15:11:20 GMT -5
Updated roster:
Confirmed: Kylie Wickley (ASU) Chloe Charles (FSU) Presley Wright (S. Carolina) Ava Patton (TCU) Maddison Parmelley (FGCU) Emma Grace (FAU) Macey Butler (UCLA)
+ Indoor players: Devin Kahahawai Keonilei Akana Molly Phillips Marina Crownover Madi Skinner
I can see Texas firmly in the top 15 next season & even potentially cracking the top 10 next year with a few more transfers.
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Post by vbstan123 on Jun 6, 2023 15:30:23 GMT -5
I can see Texas firmly in the top 15 next season & even potentially cracking the top 10 next year with a few more transfers. uhhhh I'd disagree. They've got some good pieces but I think they'd need some more high level transfers before they "firmly" appear as a top 15 team.
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Post by vballfanattic on Jun 6, 2023 15:37:29 GMT -5
I can see Texas firmly in the top 15 next season & even potentially cracking the top 10 next year with a few more transfers. uhhhh I'd disagree. They've got some good pieces but I think they'd need some more high level transfers before they "firmly" appear as a top 15 team. I'm optimistic for a few reasons: coaching & experience of the transfers. When I think about the teams that fell between #10-20, I feel like this roster could certainly compete with many of them: LBSU, FAU, FIU, GSU, Washington, Stetson, S. Carolina, Tulane, Pepperdine, AZ. Wouldn't be surprised to see Texas ahead of at least half of these schools next season. Even some of the top 10s are losing quite a few starters including Hawaii, GCU, and LSU.
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Post by dunninla3 on Jun 6, 2023 16:01:21 GMT -5
uhhhh I'd disagree. They've got some good pieces but I think they'd need some more high level transfers before they "firmly" appear as a top 15 team. I'm optimistic for a few reasons: coaching & experience of the transfers. When I think about the teams that fell between #10-20, I feel like this roster could certainly compete with many of them: LBSU, FAU, FIU, GSU, Washington, Stetson, S. Carolina, Tulane, Pepperdine, AZ. Wouldn't be surprised to see Texas ahead of at least half of these schools next season. Even some of the top 10s are losing quite a few starters including Hawaii, GCU, and LSU. From what I gather, the "experience of the transfers" is predominantly as 4s and 5s, with one (1) 1s player. Unless at least three more players with 1s and 2s success transfers in, its going to be a building year, until they get 1s and 2s to transfer. 1s are 1s for a reason. 4s are 4s for a reason. Boyd at UCLA played 1s freshman year. You are what you are. a 4s freshman does not become a 1s just by playing another year. You are what you are.
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Post by blackmambabeto on Jun 6, 2023 16:22:00 GMT -5
Updated roster: Confirmed: Kylie Wickley (ASU) Chloe Charles (FSU) Presley Wright (S. Carolina) Ava Patton (TCU) Maddison Parmelley (FGCU) Emma Grace (FAU) Macey Butler (UCLA) + Indoor players: Devin Kahahawai Keonilei Akana Molly Phillips Marina Crownover Madi Skinner I can see Texas firmly in the top 15 next season & even potentially cracking the top 10 next year with a few more transfers. o wow Macey transferred, does she have to wait a year to play or not cuz she red-shirted? hopefully she gets PT
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Post by vballfanattic on Jun 6, 2023 16:25:51 GMT -5
I agree that having lots of players whose experience is predominantly at the 4s/5s will probably keep Texas from cracking the top 10. However, I would argue most of the teams ranked 10-20 are not as strong in the 2s-3s pairs either. I would also argue that players do improve when given chances and can move up the line-up.
FSU is notorious for having girls who don't even crack the starting line-up and then go on to play major roles at schools that they transfer to. Liz Waters-Leiga hardly played at the lower flights at FSU and played at the 1s at Cal this year. Avery Poppinga hardly got playing time at FSU and then played at the 2s at LMU in 2022. Lexi McKeon was a reliable starter at Cal when she hardly got playing time at FSU. Sierro Caffo at LSU played mostly at the 4s and 5s, then she ended up at the 1s at Cal this year.
A player's position at their original school hardly dictates where they end up playing at their transfer destination and how much success they might have. More examples: Ashlyn Rasnick-Pope played at 1s in 2022 at LSU and then played mostly 4s and 5s at USC this year. Sunny Villapondo was the 1s at Stanford, then 5s at USC. Caroline Schafer was a 1s player at Cal who didn't even crack the starting line-up when she transferred to USC. Mollie Eberton played 5s at USC then 1s at Tulane (a top 20 team).
Even within a program, there can be lots of mobility from year-to-year. Peri Brennan went from not making the starting line-up her first two years at UCLA to being almost a guaranteed win at the 2s. Jaden Whitmarsh was a staple at 2s for UCLA in 2022 and then barely ended up at the 5s in 2023.
There is lots of parity in the 3s-5s pairs within programs and between programs (can even be argued that this applies to a lot of 2s pairs as well). Yes, the 1s tend to be outstanding at most schools but after that there is lots of parity. I wouldn't be surprised to see Texas be competitive at the 2s-5s pairs, especially compared to teams between 10-20.
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Post by texasfight on Jun 6, 2023 19:28:39 GMT -5
Updated roster: Confirmed: Kylie Wickley (ASU) Chloe Charles (FSU) Presley Wright (S. Carolina) Ava Patton (TCU) Maddison Parmelley (FGCU) Emma Grace (FAU) Macey Butler (UCLA) + Indoor players: Devin Kahahawai Keonilei Akana Molly Phillips Marina Crownover Madi Skinner I can see Texas firmly in the top 15 next season & even potentially cracking the top 10 next year with a few more transfers. i have a few quick questions. Are we for sure that these indoor players are going to play beach as well or is it speculation? Is there an open invite to all the indoor girls to play beach next season like this past spring? Isn’t Molly in the portal? How good are these transfers? Like did we get someone’s star player(s) or did we just pull some good home talent back home?
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Post by sonofdogman on Jun 6, 2023 20:35:52 GMT -5
It's not unreasonable to think that Texas could break into the top 20 rankings in Stein's first season. However, being firmly in the top 15 is in my opinion a stretch. As noted above, they would need a few more quality transfers for that to happen. However, I think they will certainly already be in the mix of "others receiving votes" when the season gets underway.
Also, as of now, I would still expect some teams that are outside of the top 20 to beat the Longhorns next season.
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Post by katn on Jun 6, 2023 22:28:59 GMT -5
so who is kelly mccloskey? it looks like she played @ lsubeach but her ig bio says texas beach volleyball
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