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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 24, 2023 19:24:48 GMT -5
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 24, 2023 19:35:58 GMT -5
This is a bio of the Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) who is hearing the case. November 21, 2023 Today, the National Labor Relations Board announced the appointment of Judge Eleanor Laws as Associate Chief Administrative Law Judge in charge of its San Francisco Office of Judges, effective January 2024. In this position, Judge Laws will oversee the Office’s docketing, assignment, and trial of the General Counsel’s complaints of unfair practice violations arising out of the Agency’s Regional Offices on the West Coast and other areas of the West and Southwest. Judge Laws will be taking over this position from Associate Chief Judge Gerald Etchingham, who has decided to step down from administrative duties while continuing to hear and decide cases. Judge Laws has been an NLRB judge since September of 2011. Previously, she served as an administrative law judge for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and the Social Security Administration. Earlier in her career, Judge Laws represented clients in a wide array of employment law matters, an area of the law about which she has written extensively, including co-authoring several textbooks in the field. Judge Laws received her undergraduate degree from Northwestern University and her law degree from the University of North Carolina. www.nlrb.gov/news-outreach/news-story/judge-eleanor-laws-named-associate-chief-administrative-law-judge
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2023 22:48:38 GMT -5
Would this include providing each athlete with insurance and retirement? Would every athlete be eligible? That seems like a financial nightmare for most schools to provide for employees that don't really offer anything of substance to the school.
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Post by vbnerd on Dec 24, 2023 22:48:38 GMT -5
At What Point Should College Athletes Be Considered Employees? At What Point Should College Athletes Be Considered Employees? I would say when they graduate and get a job… but I also wanted the NCAA to guarantee a second off day each week, count travel in the 20 hour limit, and limit competition on class days. Instead they embraced the role of money at every opportunity so this wouldn’t shock me.
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Post by bucky415 on Dec 24, 2023 22:57:51 GMT -5
Welcome to America 2023, employees are out, "independent contractors" are in.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 24, 2023 23:18:31 GMT -5
Would this include providing each athlete with insurance and retirement? Maybe. Benefits like that are certainly not something every employee gets. I doubt the students working in the cafeteria on campus get a retirement benefit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2023 23:37:20 GMT -5
Welcome to America 2023, employees are out, "independent contractors" are in. Certainly that's how they'll try to get around the system of employment athletes.
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Post by Not Me on Dec 25, 2023 13:21:09 GMT -5
Would this include providing each athlete with insurance and retirement? Maybe. Benefits like that are certainly not something every employee gets. I doubt the students working in the cafeteria on campus get a retirement benefit. Well, that would have to pay workman’s comp. Students would have to pay taxes. Everyone would be paying into social security.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2023 14:03:54 GMT -5
Maybe. Benefits like that are certainly not something every employee gets. I doubt the students working in the cafeteria on campus get a retirement benefit. Well, that would have to pay workman’s comp. Students would have to pay taxes. Everyone would be paying into social security. Yes, I don't think most athletes understand the full scope of what being an employee would entail. As a student-athlete you generally operate within your confined, protective bubble, which would not be the case as an employee.
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Post by ManapuaSurprise on Dec 25, 2023 14:06:59 GMT -5
At What Point Should College Athletes Be Considered Employees? At What Point Should College Athletes Be Considered Employees? I would say when they graduate and get a job… but I also wanted the NCAA to guarantee a second off day each week, count travel in the 20 hour limit, and limit competition on class days. Instead they embraced the role of money at every opportunity so this wouldn’t shock me. You just doomed all athletics programs from the state of Hawaii as well as kill athletics attendance nationwide. Not all games start after 6 pm
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 25, 2023 15:17:17 GMT -5
Well, that would have to pay workman’s comp. Students would have to pay taxes. Everyone would be paying into social security. Yes, I don't think most athletes understand the full scope of what being an employee would entail. As a student-athlete you generally operate within your confined, protective bubble, which would not be the case as an employee. Professional athletes seem to do alright as employees.
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Post by jomama on Dec 25, 2023 15:38:12 GMT -5
Well, that would have to pay workman’s comp. Students would have to pay taxes. Everyone would be paying into social security. Yes, I don't think most athletes understand the full scope of what being an employee would entail. As a student-athlete you generally operate within your confined, protective bubble, which would not be the case as an employee. I will begin with, “I’m old,” so I am very anti-paying amateur athletes. However, I am also mind boggled at how some of the highest paid state employees in many, if not most, states is either a football or basketball collegiate coach. I remember when the NCAA handed SMU the death penalty to their football program. Now it seems that the winds have changed and we are approaching the Wild West of athletics. Ok, fine, make athletes employees. In my early professional days I did not complete my duties as assigned to me by my supervisor (I didn’t close a very lucrative deal for the company), and as a result I was fired. So, an athlete does not perform then as employees they can be fired. The athletic scholarship - gone. That is part of your salary now. I could go on, but I’m old and most will take this post as a “times have changed grandpa.”
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Post by mervinswerved on Dec 25, 2023 15:54:56 GMT -5
Yes, I don't think most athletes understand the full scope of what being an employee would entail. As a student-athlete you generally operate within your confined, protective bubble, which would not be the case as an employee. I will begin with, “I’m old,” so I am very anti-paying amateur athletes. However, I am also mind boggled at how some of the highest paid state employees in many, if not most, states is either a football or basketball collegiate coach. I remember when the NCAA handed SMU the death penalty to their football program. Now it seems that the winds have changed and we are approaching the Wild West of athletics. Ok, fine, make athletes employees. In my early professional days I did not complete my duties as assigned to me by my supervisor (I didn’t close a very lucrative deal for the company), and as a result I was fired. So, an athlete does not perform then as employees they can be fired. The athletic scholarship - gone. That is part of your salary now. I could go on, but I’m old and most will take this post as a “times have changed grandpa.” Presumably, college athletes getting paid by the schools would have contracts like other professional athletes.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 25, 2023 16:17:25 GMT -5
There are lots of things wrong with the college sports model.
The first thing most people think about when they see college athletes becoming employees is: what a greedy bunch of spoiled brats, but here are some things to consider: The transactional aspect of it is that the athlete gets a college education in exchange for their services. But, the way the revenue generating sports, by the way they operate, prevents the athletes from attaining their part of the payoff. Read the article. The amount of time and effort needed to play at a Division I level makes completing the degree in four years impossible. The university makes their part of the transactions of primary importance. Have you ever wondered why the revenue sport athletes rarely finish on time? Or that a large number of them drop out after their eligibility runs out? The universities are not obligated to pay for their tuition after their eligibility runs out. The athletes take just enough hours to be considered full time students. I know if I tried to do that it would take me six or seven years to finish the curriculum. Many non-athletes now take more than four years to finish. Combine that with the amount of class time missed due to their commitment to their sport, it is a wonder any of them manage to stay eligible. Some of that has to do with the academic counseling aspect. The athletes are steered towards academic majors whose requirements best fit the needs of the sport rather than their degree.
The amateur idea is a sham. The "amateur" is something cooked up by de Coubertain when he created the modern Olympics. He wanted those of his ilk, the nobility and the wealthy, to take part and not the great unwashed masses who are stronger and more athletic because they worked on farms and in factories. he created amateurs as a category so that only the idle rich can afford to train full time for the Olympics. Anyone who is a "professional" or gets paid to train are forbidden. Collegiate athletics used that definition to create this system that we have now.
The thing is no one cared until the big money era of college sports. The pressures on the athletes weren't as intense before the big money era, the universities could still realistically uphold their end of the bargain, to educate the athletes, because they did not make the demands that they are now because the amount of profits was not enough to motivate them to do what they are doing now.
The NCAA and the universities had their chance, at the beginning of the big money era to equitably distribute the profits, to make sure money is spent on meeting their end of the bargain, but they didn't. Which is how we got to where we are.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2023 17:44:21 GMT -5
Yes, I don't think most athletes understand the full scope of what being an employee would entail. As a student-athlete you generally operate within your confined, protective bubble, which would not be the case as an employee. Professional athletes seem to do alright as employees. Are they employees in the usual sense or are they contracted workers? And life as a college athlete is and will still be notably different from a professional athlete.
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