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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 23, 2024 15:48:34 GMT -5
i know she's attached to NUC/Switzerland, but Id love to see Bertolacci given a chance... since italy/elsewhere wont
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Post by manyshaped on Apr 23, 2024 15:54:13 GMT -5
Why is LOVB getting these bigger athletes? Do they have more money? or is it mainly cause the national team girls are doing it? so bigger names attract other bigger names? I actually believe it's a big risk to have so many of the best Americans competing in LOVB in its first year, too. It's a bit like they're taking a year off from playing against the best players in the world to just play against the best players from the USA. They will really need to rely on bringing strong foreign talent to complete their rosters if they want to continue to train and compete at the highest levels. i think this could be potentially nullified by the fact that its the first year of the next quad so if the lovb experiement doesn't work out after year one or two, they can always head back to europe and get two years of high level vb under their belt before LA28
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Post by BOBšković on Apr 23, 2024 16:40:31 GMT -5
hate him if you want. A lot of people do but a lot of the worlds most respected players give a lot of credit to him. He built the Serbian team from the ground up and turned them into world champions and Olympic medalists. He also has had a lot of success at the club level. He’s a dick and unorthodox and some of his actions are not defendable but he’s a good volleyball teacher and coach objectively and many players have said that and want to work with him Yeah, there's plenty of examples across sports of great coaches that aren't very likable. It's not mutually exclusive. john cook? 😊
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 23, 2024 19:18:04 GMT -5
Yeah, there's plenty of examples across sports of great coaches that aren't very likable. It's not mutually exclusive. john cook? 😊 I mean, he's not who I was thinking of specifically, but sure. And he's not the only one among top college volleyball coaches.
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Post by staticb on Apr 23, 2024 19:18:19 GMT -5
Why is LOVB getting these bigger athletes? Do they have more money? or is it mainly cause the national team girls are doing it? so bigger names attract other bigger names? One was formed by rich billionaires/millionaires who had dubious connections to the sport, other than they enjoyed it. The other also was founded by millionaires, but also got buy-in from players, coaches, USAV officials etc. I see it as a relationship vs. money thing (although we don't know if LOVB is hurting for money). But the players have made a choice as to which one they are going to support.
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Post by n00b on Apr 23, 2024 19:45:09 GMT -5
Why is LOVB getting these bigger athletes? Do they have more money? or is it mainly cause the national team girls are doing it? so bigger names attract other bigger names? One was formed by rich billionaires/millionaires who had dubious connections to the sport, other than they enjoyed it. The other also was founded by millionaires, but also got buy-in from players, coaches, USAV officials etc. I see it as a relationship vs. money thing (although we don't know if LOVB is hurting for money). But the players have made a choice as to which one they are going to support. LOVB threw WAY more money at national team members than PVF's max salary. And PVF didn't get buy in from players and coaches? I'm not sure I understand anything about your post.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 23, 2024 19:51:15 GMT -5
One was formed by rich billionaires/millionaires who had dubious connections to the sport, other than they enjoyed it. The other also was founded by millionaires, but also got buy-in from players, coaches, USAV officials etc. I see it as a relationship vs. money thing (although we don't know if LOVB is hurting for money). But the players have made a choice as to which one they are going to support. LOVB threw WAY more money at national team members than PVF's max salary. And PVF didn't get buy in from players and coaches? I'm not sure I understand anything about your post. I assume they mean PVF didnt get the buy in from the national team players/staff. Which they didnt. (and they dont have the relationships to sign anyone else)
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 23, 2024 21:59:34 GMT -5
Why is LOVB getting these bigger athletes? Do they have more money? or is it mainly cause the national team girls are doing it? so bigger names attract other bigger names? I actually believe it's a big risk to have so many of the best Americans competing in LOVB in its first year, too. It's a bit like they're taking a year off from playing against the best players in the world to just play against the best players from the USA. They will really need to rely on bringing strong foreign talent to complete their rosters if they want to continue to train and compete at the highest levels. I dont think its that big of a risk for the ones who have signed already... especially considering are veterans and very well may retire from the nt after Paris anyways (Larson, krob, jwo, Washington, Hancock, carlini). Chiaka and poulter seem, to me, as the only two more than likely planning on going for the LA roster. And it wouldn't shock me to see one of them step away either. Frantti, skinner, Plummer, Lanier, rettke, gray, kipp all seem like they could all be prominent players of the next quad and they're all staying overseas for at least the first season of lovb, so our possible future stars seem to be waiting it out a little bit - which I think is smart. But I also think with only 6 teams and the talent they've already signed, these lovb teams aren't going to be as far from the top of Italy / turkey as you might think. I'm not saying we're gonna see some imoco or fener level team in lovb lol, but I do think there could easily be lovb teams in 2025 that would be able to compete in the top half of Italy and turkey. Take Omaha for example - already signed jwo and Larson. If they were to add say : dijkema, Hoffman, Drews, Stevenson, and Serena gray to that roster (tried not to pick only the obvious best players since they'll likely be spread around). Something like that could be a very realistic roster we end up seeing that, imo, could totally compete in the top leagues. sry that was a book
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 23, 2024 22:12:15 GMT -5
LOVB is obviously in the "Wait and see" category. (and some players I imagine are viewing it in the same light)
The top opposites arent going to come because they dont have any reason to leave europe. and thats fine.
LOVB's focus (for season two/beyond) should be getting the best Americans and the best of the rest for players/coaches.
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Post by xlumie on Apr 23, 2024 23:07:19 GMT -5
Yeah, there's plenty of examples across sports of great coaches that aren't very likable. It's not mutually exclusive. john cook? 😊 John Cook & Jerritt Elliott.
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Apr 24, 2024 5:16:50 GMT -5
I actually believe it's a big risk to have so many of the best Americans competing in LOVB in its first year, too. It's a bit like they're taking a year off from playing against the best players in the world to just play against the best players from the USA. They will really need to rely on bringing strong foreign talent to complete their rosters if they want to continue to train and compete at the highest levels. I dont think its that big of a risk for the ones who have signed already... especially considering are veterans and very well may retire from the nt after Paris anyways (Larson, krob, jwo, Washington, Hancock, carlini). Chiaka and poulter seem, to me, as the only two more than likely planning on going for the LA roster. And it wouldn't shock me to see one of them step away either. What's your logic behind any of those players retiring (other than Larson, who defies logic)? Yes, they're getting older but it's also a much cushier living environment to be able to stay in the USA. You saw how many girls came back to PVF that were already semi-retired because they just didn't want to go abroad. The phenomenon of mass exodus after the Olympics is only true for Olympic sports, that doesn't really dictate when basketball, baseball, or soccer players retire. If LOVB turns out to be a success and they enjoy it, I could easily see that crop of players continuing to play LOVB even if they're done with the national gym.
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Post by madden55 on Apr 24, 2024 7:48:43 GMT -5
I dont think its that big of a risk for the ones who have signed already... especially considering are veterans and very well may retire from the nt after Paris anyways (Larson, krob, jwo, Washington, Hancock, carlini). Chiaka and poulter seem, to me, as the only two more than likely planning on going for the LA roster. And it wouldn't shock me to see one of them step away either. What's your logic behind any of those players retiring (other than Larson, who defies logic)? Yes, they're getting older but it's also a much cushier living environment to be able to stay in the USA. You saw how many girls came back to PVF that were already semi-retired because they just didn't want to go abroad. The phenomenon of mass exodus after the Olympics is only true for Olympic sports, that doesn't really dictate when basketball, baseball, or soccer players retire. If LOVB turns out to be a success and they enjoy it, I could easily see that crop of players continuing to play LOVB even if they're done with the national gym. like 98 percent sure he was talking about retiring from the national team gym. Considering that was the main point of the post he was quoting…
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Post by twkpwrbtmlib on Apr 24, 2024 8:45:51 GMT -5
the only thing keeping me from really being invested in LOVB are the logos. i can feel some emotional connection to the players, but the squiggly lines feel like I'm being psychoanalyzed.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 24, 2024 8:50:46 GMT -5
the only thing keeping me from really being invested in LOVB are the logos. i can feel some emotional connection to the players, but the squiggly lines feel like I'm being psychoanalyzed. i just cant not see "AZ" for Atlanta lol Austin and Houston are a bit of a reach for me. I've grown towards Madison, Omaha, and Salt Lake (Which is the best one imo)
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Post by twkpwrbtmlib on Apr 24, 2024 9:04:31 GMT -5
the only thing keeping me from really being invested in LOVB are the logos. i can feel some emotional connection to the players, but the squiggly lines feel like I'm being psychoanalyzed. i just cant not see "AZ" for Atlanta lol Austin and Houston are a bit of a reach for me. I've grown towards Madison, Omaha, and Salt Lake (Which is the best one imo) i keep thinking arizona when I see atlanta. and then i see atl squished together and it reminds me about the rat race that life is as we compete to survive in this world and i don't feel good lol agree with you that those are the best ones. i clearly see the MDN in Madison, OMA in Omaha, and SLC in salt lake city. atx and HTX look like freeways so that's fitting. i just looked at the website, and just saw igiede signed! i only really pay attention when it's big NT names.
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