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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 24, 2024 10:34:57 GMT -5
I dont think its that big of a risk for the ones who have signed already... especially considering are veterans and very well may retire from the nt after Paris anyways (Larson, krob, jwo, Washington, Hancock, carlini). Chiaka and poulter seem, to me, as the only two more than likely planning on going for the LA roster. And it wouldn't shock me to see one of them step away either. What's your logic behind any of those players retiring (other than Larson, who defies logic)? Yes, they're getting older but it's also a much cushier living environment to be able to stay in the USA. Yes I fully believe someone like Larson or krob might keep playing until they're 40 lol.... but as madden said I was talking about retiring from the national team, not the sport as a whole.
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Post by staticb on Apr 24, 2024 10:41:47 GMT -5
LOVB threw WAY more money at national team members than PVF's max salary. And PVF didn't get buy in from players and coaches? I'm not sure I understand anything about your post. If you looked at the initial consulting list/board members for LOVB, it was practically a who's who of the game's greatest minds.
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Post by n00b on Apr 24, 2024 10:53:10 GMT -5
LOVB threw WAY more money at national team members than PVF's max salary. And PVF didn't get buy in from players and coaches? I'm not sure I understand anything about your post. If you looked at the initial consulting list/board members for LOVB, it was practically a who's who of the game's greatest minds. Sure. That's fine. But to say it was money vs relationships and athletes chose relationships just isn't true. No athletes are turning down a higher paycheck for better relationships. Because I agree that LOVB has some good volleyball minds while PVF has a lot more experience in the pro sports world in other sports. I guess you can debate which of those two groups would develop a more sustainable league.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 24, 2024 10:58:21 GMT -5
If you looked at the initial consulting list/board members for LOVB, it was practically a who's who of the game's greatest minds. Sure. That's fine. But to say it was money vs relationships and athletes chose relationships just isn't true. No athletes are turning down a higher paycheck for better relationships. Because I agree that LOVB has some good volleyball minds while PVF has a lot more experience in the pro sports world in other sports. I guess you can debate which of those two groups would develop a more sustainable league. Also, it was literally just paying money to those volleyball minds.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 24, 2024 11:02:05 GMT -5
If you looked at the initial consulting list/board members for LOVB, it was practically a who's who of the game's greatest minds. Sure. That's fine. But to say it was money vs relationships and athletes chose relationships just isn't true. No athletes are turning down a higher paycheck for better relationships.Because I agree that LOVB has some good volleyball minds while PVF has a lot more experience in the pro sports world in other sports. I guess you can debate which of those two groups would develop a more sustainable league. Sweeping statements like this one are pointless and not even accurate. People turn down more money for other factors all the time.
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Post by northwoods on Apr 24, 2024 11:14:31 GMT -5
Sure. That's fine. But to say it was money vs relationships and athletes chose relationships just isn't true. No athletes are turning down a higher paycheck for better relationships. Because I agree that LOVB has some good volleyball minds while PVF has a lot more experience in the pro sports world in other sports. I guess you can debate which of those two groups would develop a more sustainable league. Also, it was literally just paying money to those volleyball minds. For me, the involvement of USAVB and all these great volleyball minds is a risk factor for the longer term economic viability of LOVB vs PVF. One thing USAVB people can do is mismanage $$ and behave like there is an unending stream of capital.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 24, 2024 11:19:17 GMT -5
Also, it was literally just paying money to those volleyball minds. For me, the involvement of USAVB and all these great volleyball minds is a risk factor for the longer term economic viability of LOVB vs PVF. One thing USAVB people can do is mismanage $$ and behave like there is an unending stream of capital. I mean, this is a venture-backed enterprise to begin with - they WILL be looking for an exit. And it sounds like they've raised a lot of money - but they've also used that money to operate for 4-5 years (before even starting the league), ACQUIRE 50+ JUNIOR CLUBS, finance a start-up league, throw around significant payroll/salaries to stars, and spend money on things like these USAV consultants.
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Post by northwoods on Apr 24, 2024 12:21:51 GMT -5
For me, the involvement of USAVB and all these great volleyball minds is a risk factor for the longer term economic viability of LOVB vs PVF. One thing USAVB people can do is mismanage $$ and behave like there is an unending stream of capital. I mean, this is a venture-backed enterprise to begin with - they WILL be looking for an exit. And it sounds like they've raised a lot of money - but they've also used that money to operate for 4-5 years (before even starting the league), ACQUIRE 50+ JUNIOR CLUBS, finance a start-up league, throw around significant payroll/salaries to stars, and spend money on things like these USAV consultants. I haven’t seen the prospectus, but I’d wager the devil is in the details of the club roll-up part of the business plan vs operating the pro league. Acquisition cost, management contracts with former owners, lease terms on practice facilities etc. Would love to know from an M&A perspective if they overpaid or not. Then the ease of entry is a problem if the plan is to charge parents a premium over a non-LOVB club…
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 24, 2024 13:35:26 GMT -5
I mean, this is a venture-backed enterprise to begin with - they WILL be looking for an exit. And it sounds like they've raised a lot of money - but they've also used that money to operate for 4-5 years (before even starting the league), ACQUIRE 50+ JUNIOR CLUBS, finance a start-up league, throw around significant payroll/salaries to stars, and spend money on things like these USAV consultants. I haven’t seen the prospectus, but I’d wager the devil is in the details of the club roll-up part of the business plan vs operating the pro league. Acquisition cost, management contracts with former owners, lease terms on practice facilities etc. Would love to know from an M&A perspective if they overpaid or not. Then the ease of entry is a problem if the plan is to charge parents a premium over a non-LOVB club… Just looking at this from a business perspective, it's hard to see how borrowing off the club revenue stream isn't at least a back-up plan for the pro league cash flow. Beyond payroll, just operating a full pro league season (and covering all team operating costs since they're all centrally owned) is going to be huge, and I can't imagine whatever TV $ / ticket sales they get in neutral courts are going to cover it.
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Post by staticb on Apr 24, 2024 14:04:54 GMT -5
At least to start, I'm guessing they will try to host club tournaments/coaching clinics/Pro-Am stuff to try to take advantage of their vertical monopoly. That way they can leverage their clubs without stealing the same revenue stream.
LOVB is giving out NIL money/having a charitable foundation and seem to be behaving like a profitable organization. It seems noble from a purpose standpoint, but definitely risky financially.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 25, 2024 7:45:32 GMT -5
Paulo Coco (Brazilian NT assistant and former Praia head coach) will be the final head coach (unannounced with Bonita)
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Post by toomuchvb on Apr 25, 2024 8:24:06 GMT -5
the only thing keeping me from really being invested in LOVB are the logos. i can feel some emotional connection to the players, but the squiggly lines feel like I'm being psychoanalyzed. This! 😁 The logos are … interesting.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Apr 25, 2024 11:26:16 GMT -5
LOVB is signing two more foreign liberos.
Annie Cesar (GER)and Milica Medved (SRB)
weird. but also, the american liberos probably want the chance to play in PVF/earn more.
(id be disappointed if this means no spots for Lexi/Elena/Oglivie/Briseno/etc)
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 25, 2024 11:30:07 GMT -5
LOVB is signing two more foreign liberos. Annie Cesar (GER)and Milica Medved (SRB) weird. but also, the american liberos probably want the chance to play in PVF/earn more. (id be disappointed if this means no spots for Lexi/Elena/Oglivie/Briseno/etc) Yeah, I imagine the libero offers are LOW
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Post by uofaGRAD on Apr 25, 2024 11:30:36 GMT -5
LOVB is signing two more foreign liberos. Annie Cesar (GER)and Milica Medved (SRB) weird. but also, the american liberos probably want the chance to play in PVF/earn more. (id be disappointed if this means no spots for Lexi/Elena/Oglivie/Briseno/etc) Lexi and Elena are LOVB must haves. huge miss by them if they don’t save them spots. Oglivie and Briseño can do PVF and that’s fine with me
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