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Post by ironhammer on Apr 12, 2024 0:31:38 GMT -5
Spoilers for a novel that was written 50 years ago?! Spoiler alert: Even though Elizabeth Bennett can't stand Mr. Darcy and turns down his first marriage proposal, in the end she agrees to marry him. It's ok. I understand that this Shogun version has already veered from the original novel and the 80's show as well. They changed some of the major characters who died...and there was more sex in the novel. What we got so far in the adaptation is pretty tame in that respect. They also omitted some interesting sub-plots, that can't be avoided if you only got 10 episodes to squeeze the entire story.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 12, 2024 0:40:19 GMT -5
You do want to spoil the plot, do you? Spoilers for a novel that was written 50 years ago?! Spoiler alert: Even though Elizabeth Bennett can't stand Mr. Darcy and turns down his first marriage proposal, in the end she agrees to marry him. The question is, if Mariko dies in that particular battle, why does that result in the survival of the hostages? That's where the intrigue of the plot comes into play, and why it's not really a spoiler [* why her death is not a spoiler] .
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 12, 2024 0:49:13 GMT -5
Spoilers for a novel that was written 50 years ago?! Spoiler alert: Even though Elizabeth Bennett can't stand Mr. Darcy and turns down his first marriage proposal, in the end she agrees to marry him. The question is, if Mariko dies in that particular battle, why does that result in the survival of the hostages? That's where the intrigue of the plot comes into play, and why it's not really a spoiler [* why her death is not a spoiler] . 1. The real fate of Mariko 2. The fate of hostages You just have to wait and see the final episodes.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 12, 2024 0:51:48 GMT -5
Spoilers for a novel that was written 50 years ago?! Spoiler alert: Even though Elizabeth Bennett can't stand Mr. Darcy and turns down his first marriage proposal, in the end she agrees to marry him. The question is, if Mariko dies in that particular battle, why does that result in the survival of the hostages? That's where the intrigue of the plot comes into play, and why it's not really a spoiler [* why her death is not a spoiler] . I didn't want to go into details, but Mariko's death in the novel is actually described on the Wikipedia page, so it's not like I'm giving away the secret twist ending of The Mousetrap. (Although, that is also revealed in The Mousetrap's Wikipedia page.) Obviously if they wanted to change the story for this adaptation, they may have.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 12, 2024 1:00:47 GMT -5
The question is, if Mariko dies in that particular battle, why does that result in the survival of the hostages? That's where the intrigue of the plot comes into play, and why it's not really a spoiler [* why her death is not a spoiler] . I didn't want to go into details, but Mariko's death in the novel is actually described on the Wikipedia page, so it's not like I'm giving away the secret twist ending of The Mousetrap. (Although, that is also revealed in The Mousetrap's Wikipedia page.) Obviously if they wanted to change the story for this adaptation, they may have. I plan to read the original novel after I watch this series. I'm not concerned about spoilers given the totality of possibilities, but I do appreciate your curated comments.
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 12, 2024 1:05:43 GMT -5
The question is, if Mariko dies in that particular battle, why does that result in the survival of the hostages? That's where the intrigue of the plot comes into play, and why it's not really a spoiler [* why her death is not a spoiler] . I didn't want to go into details, but Mariko's death in the novel is actually described on the Wikipedia page, so it's not like I'm giving away the secret twist ending of The Mousetrap. (Although, that is also revealed in The Mousetrap's Wikipedia page.) Obviously if they wanted to change the story for this adaptation, they may have. Well its one thing to say her fate is reveal in the wikipedia page and another thing entirely to actually reveal it. I'll make sure to spoil the ending of the next novel or TV series you read or watch, hehehe.
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 12, 2024 1:07:59 GMT -5
I didn't want to go into details, but Mariko's death in the novel is actually described on the Wikipedia page, so it's not like I'm giving away the secret twist ending of The Mousetrap. (Although, that is also revealed in The Mousetrap's Wikipedia page.) Obviously if they wanted to change the story for this adaptation, they may have. I plan to read the original novel after I watch this series. I'm not concerned about spoilers given the totality of possibilities, but I do appreciate your curated comments. You may not mind but others might.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 12, 2024 1:08:30 GMT -5
I didn't want to go into details, but Mariko's death in the novel is actually described on the Wikipedia page, so it's not like I'm giving away the secret twist ending of The Mousetrap. (Although, that is also revealed in The Mousetrap's Wikipedia page.) Obviously if they wanted to change the story for this adaptation, they may have. I plan to read the original novel after I watch this series. I'm not concerned about spoilers given the totality of possibilities, but I do appreciate your curated comments. Every time I re-read that novel, I end up feeling like I have learned Japanese. I haven't, of course, but certain words like wakarimasu get used in dialogue often enough without translation that it starts being natural to read it as "I understand".
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 12, 2024 1:10:21 GMT -5
I plan to read the original novel after I watch this series. I'm not concerned about spoilers given the totality of possibilities, but I do appreciate your curated comments. Every time I re-read that novel, I end up feeling like I have learned Japanese. I haven't, of course, but certain words like wakarimasu get used in dialogue often enough without translation that it starts being natural to read it as "I understand". Not that simple, you need to be careful, some terms may be classical Japanese which isn't used in modern Japanese. Its fun to learn some Japanese terms from the novel, buts its no substitute to actually learning the language entirely, of course.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 12, 2024 1:17:53 GMT -5
I plan to read the original novel after I watch this series. I'm not concerned about spoilers given the totality of possibilities, but I do appreciate your curated comments. You may not mind but others might. I think you're completely off-base in terms of your responses regarding spoilers, existing public references, etc.
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 12, 2024 1:26:09 GMT -5
You may not mind but others might. I think you're completely off-base in terms of your responses regarding spoilers, existing public references, etc. No, we just have a difference in opinion on this particular point. That happens, no big deal. You and mike think its fine to casually reveal crucial plot points, I disagree as I think that spoils the enjoyment of the series for others. To each his own.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 12, 2024 1:35:35 GMT -5
I think you're completely off-base in terms of your responses regarding spoilers, existing public references, etc. No, we just have a difference in opinion on this particular point. That happens, no big deal. You and mike think its fine to casually reveal crucial plot points, I disagree as I think that spoils the enjoyment of the series for others. To each his own. This is an entirely new production. Unless someone is a production insider--which doesn't appear to be the case--no one knows whether something that is posted here is actually a spoiler or is not.
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 12, 2024 1:42:38 GMT -5
No, we just have a difference in opinion on this particular point. That happens, no big deal. You and mike think its fine to casually reveal crucial plot points, I disagree as I think that spoils the enjoyment of the series for others. To each his own. This is an entirely new production. Unless someone is a production insider--which doesn't appear to be the case--no one knows whether something that is posted here is actually a spoiler or is not. Which is precisely why I think we should be cautious to reveal what will happen. But like I said, we have different perspectives on this. That's alright, the world would be a boring place if we agree on everything. Lets see if Mariko's fate is the same as the book in the upcoming episode. I think you, mike and others watching would be curious to know that.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 12, 2024 1:45:04 GMT -5
This is an entirely new production. Unless someone is a production insider--which doesn't appear to be the case--no one knows whether something that is posted here is actually a spoiler or is not. Which is precisely why I think we should be cautious to reveal what will happen. But like I said, we have different perspectives on this. That's alright, the world would be a boring place if we agree on everything. A spoiler is by definition revealing what will actually happen. No one is spoiling because no one actually knows what will happen in this production.
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 12, 2024 1:48:24 GMT -5
Which is precisely why I think we should be cautious to reveal what will happen. But like I said, we have different perspectives on this. That's alright, the world would be a boring place if we agree on everything. A spoiler is by definition revealing what will actually happen. No one is spoiling because no one actually knows what will happen in this production. Its based on a published source material. This is not an original show. So there is precedence on tbe plot, regardless of how the adaptation changes details of the story. Look, we are not going to agree on this point, like I said, lets see if Mariko's fate will be like in the book, I think you and I both want to know that, right?
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