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Post by volleyguy on Apr 12, 2024 1:55:51 GMT -5
A spoiler is by definition revealing what will actually happen. No one is spoiling because no one actually knows what will happen in this production. Its based on a published source material. This is not an original show. So there is precedence on tbe plot, regardless of how the adaptation changes details of the story. Look, we are not going to agree on this point, like I said, lets see if Mariko's fate will be like in the book, I think you and I both want to know that, right? Of course. I’m looking forward to it, but whatever happens, I’m not going to be complaining about whether someone spoiled this new production. |
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 12, 2024 2:19:44 GMT -5
Its based on a published source material. This is not an original show. So there is precedence on tbe plot, regardless of how the adaptation changes details of the story. Look, we are not going to agree on this point, like I said, lets see if Mariko's fate will be like in the book, I think you and I both want to know that, right? Of course. I’m looking forward to it, but whatever happens, I’m not going to be complaining about whether someone spoiled this new production. And you are perfectly entitled to that view. As I am entitled to mine.  A lot of stuff does happen in Osaka, there are crucial plot points that impacts the whole story, wonder if they can squeeze all that into one episode. |
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 16, 2024 14:18:56 GMT -5
Finish watching the penultimate episode and wow...that ending, I am a bit speechless, it really hits you in the gut with raw emotions. Having read the book, I knew it was coming, but I was impressed they did it better than I imagined.
Mariko decides to take her fate in her hands. You can see she displays a confidence and self-assurance that wasn't apparent in the earlier episodes. She knew her mission and executed it to perfection, you can glimpse a hint of satisfaction on her face as she outplays Ishido. Through her, the fate of Japan will be decided, to some extent. Anna Sawai does a stand up job portraying her in this episode.
Ochiba by contrast reveals she still care for Mariko and her flashes of concern shows both her lingering sisterly affection for Mariko and also the realization that Toranaga, through Mariko, is outmaneuvering the council of regents.
Blackthorne too also comes to understand what "Crimson Sky" truly means, as embodied by Mariko. From his initial disgust and horror at samurai rituals, he comes to accept it and honor Mariko's desires.
Yabu also has a key role in the episode. Throughout the series, we see him as sadistic and despicable, yet also a comically incompetent version of the scheming "Littlefinger" from Game of Thrones. In this episode though, he has to finally choose which side he will ultimately be loyal to. Tadanobu Asano should be praised for effectively portraying Yabu to draw out the audience's conflicting emotions on him. You hate his character Yabu for what he does yet at the same time you can't help but be invested in that character and focus on him.
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 16, 2024 14:43:13 GMT -5
Finish watching the penultimate episode and wow...that ending, I am a bit speechless, it really hits you in the gut with raw emotions. Having read the book, I knew it was coming, but I was impressed they did it better than I imagined. Mariko decides to take her fate in her hands. You can see she displays a confidence and self-assurance that wasn't apparent in the earlier episodes. She knew her mission and executed it to perfection, you can glimpse a hint of satisfaction on her face as she outplays Ishido. Through her, the fate of Japan will be decided, to some extent. Anna Sawai does a stand up job portraying her in this episode. Ochiba by contrast reveals she still care for Mariko and her flashes of concern shows both her lingering sisterly affection for Mariko and also the realization that Toranaga, through Mariko, is outmaneuvering the council of regents. Blackthorne too also comes to understand what "Crimson Sky" truly means, as embodied by Mariko. From his initial disgust and horror at samurai rituals, he comes to accept it and honor Mariko's desires. Yabu also has a key role in the episode. Throughout the series, we see him as sadistic and despicable, yet also a comically incompetent version of the scheming "Littlefinger" from Game of Thrones. In this episode though, he has to finally choose which side he will ultimately be loyal to. Tadanobu Asano should be praised for effectively portraying Yabu to draw out the audience's conflicting emotions on him. You hate his character Yabu for what he does yet at the same time you can't help but be invested in that character and focus on him. Hello! I’m watching it on FX and it hasn’t aired yet!! And you criticized us for talking about the books when you’re spoiling the episode. lol You can enjoy this fantastic interview with Anna Sawai, who portrays Mariko, until we can discuss the episode. |
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 16, 2024 14:46:08 GMT -5
Finish watching the penultimate episode and wow...that ending, I am a bit speechless, it really hits you in the gut with raw emotions. Having read the book, I knew it was coming, but I was impressed they did it better than I imagined. Mariko decides to take her fate in her hands. You can see she displays a confidence and self-assurance that wasn't apparent in the earlier episodes. She knew her mission and executed it to perfection, you can glimpse a hint of satisfaction on her face as she outplays Ishido. Through her, the fate of Japan will be decided, to some extent. Anna Sawai does a stand up job portraying her in this episode. Ochiba by contrast reveals she still care for Mariko and her flashes of concern shows both her lingering sisterly affection for Mariko and also the realization that Toranaga, through Mariko, is outmaneuvering the council of regents. Blackthorne too also comes to understand what "Crimson Sky" truly means, as embodied by Mariko. From his initial disgust and horror at samurai rituals, he comes to accept it and honor Mariko's desires. Yabu also has a key role in the episode. Throughout the series, we see him as sadistic and despicable, yet also a comically incompetent version of the scheming "Littlefinger" from Game of Thrones. In this episode though, he has to finally choose which side he will ultimately be loyal to. Tadanobu Asano should be praised for effectively portraying Yabu to draw out the audience's conflicting emotions on him. You hate his character Yabu for what he does yet at the same time you can't help but be invested in that character and focus on him. Hello! I’m watching it on FX and it hasn’t aired yet!! And you criticized us for talking about the books when you’re spoiling the episode. lol You can enjoy this fantastic interview with Anna Sawai, who portrays Mariko, until we can discuss the episode. Apologies (I meant that sincerely), I have no intention of spoiling what happened. In my defense, I didn't actually revealed what happened to the main characters or the actual plot details, did I? As for Anna Sawai, I hope she win some award for Shogun, she has been doing an excellent job playing Mariko, gradually transitioning from this reserved and uptight person to reveal her traumatic past, the pain she endured in the forced marriage and her ultimate determination to do what she deems as what is right. |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 16, 2024 14:51:39 GMT -5
Hello! I’m watching it on FX and it hasn’t aired yet!! And you criticized us for talking about the books when you’re spoiling the episode. lol You can enjoy this fantastic interview with Anna Sawai, who portrays Mariko, until we can discuss the episode. Oh sorry (I meant that sincerely), I have no intention of spoiling what happened. In my defense, I didn't actually revealed what happened to the main characters, did I? I’m just joking. I stopped reading a few sentences in as soon as I realized it was about the new episode. I’ve noticed that YouTube has episode reviews up very early on the episode broadcast day (Tuesday). I assume that’s because people watching it on Hulu can access it prior to the FX broadcast. I’ll be watching the episode at 7pm PST |
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 16, 2024 14:54:10 GMT -5
Oh sorry (I meant that sincerely), I have no intention of spoiling what happened. In my defense, I didn't actually revealed what happened to the main characters, did I? I’m just joking. I stopped reading a few sentences in as soon as I realized it was about the new episode. I’ve noticed that YouTube has episode reviews up very early on the episode broadcast day (Tuesday). I assume that’s because people watching it on Hulu can access it prior to the FX broadcast. I’ll be watching the episode at 7pm PST I'm a fan of Anna Sawai now. |
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Post by akbar on Apr 16, 2024 20:55:55 GMT -5
This episode caught me off guard
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 16, 2024 21:32:58 GMT -5
This episode caught me off guard My wife, who hasn't read the book, didn't know what was coming. She was...well she was stunned. |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 16, 2024 21:34:04 GMT -5
Shhhh! lol jk.
*there’s a commercial break right now
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 16, 2024 22:36:27 GMT -5
Finish watching the penultimate episode and wow...that ending, I am a bit speechless, it really hits you in the gut with raw emotions. Having read the book, I knew it was coming, but I was impressed they did it better than I imagined. Mariko decides to take her fate in her hands. You can see she displays a confidence and self-assurance that wasn't apparent in the earlier episodes. She knew her mission and executed it to perfection, you can glimpse a hint of satisfaction on her face as she outplays Ishido. Through her, the fate of Japan will be decided, to some extent. Anna Sawai does a stand up job portraying her in this episode. Ochiba by contrast reveals she still care for Mariko and her flashes of concern shows both her lingering sisterly affection for Mariko and also the realization that Toranaga, through Mariko, is outmaneuvering the council of regents. Blackthorne too also comes to understand what "Crimson Sky" truly means, as embodied by Mariko. From his initial disgust and horror at samurai rituals, he comes to accept it and honor Mariko's desires. Yabu also has a key role in the episode. Throughout the series, we see him as sadistic and despicable, yet also a comically incompetent version of the scheming "Littlefinger" from Game of Thrones. In this episode though, he has to finally choose which side he will ultimately be loyal to. Tadanobu Asano should be praised for effectively portraying Yabu to draw out the audience's conflicting emotions on him. You hate his character Yabu for what he does yet at the same time you can't help but be invested in that character and focus on him. The interplay between Mariko and Ochiba is the highlight of this series. Both of them nail their roles. I completely disagree about Yabu. There is nothing interesting or redeeming about him. The last minute reprieve by Ishido immediately drew my suspicion, as did the requirement that the others apply for a permit to leave, and Blackthorne coming to Mariko was too simplistic and sappy. I realize it was a necessary plot mechanism, but intruders infiltrating the quarters at night was literally one of the key plot points of one of the earlier episodes. I expected it. |
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 16, 2024 22:40:40 GMT -5
Finish watching the penultimate episode and wow...that ending, I am a bit speechless, it really hits you in the gut with raw emotions. Having read the book, I knew it was coming, but I was impressed they did it better than I imagined. Mariko decides to take her fate in her hands. You can see she displays a confidence and self-assurance that wasn't apparent in the earlier episodes. She knew her mission and executed it to perfection, you can glimpse a hint of satisfaction on her face as she outplays Ishido. Through her, the fate of Japan will be decided, to some extent. Anna Sawai does a stand up job portraying her in this episode. Ochiba by contrast reveals she still care for Mariko and her flashes of concern shows both her lingering sisterly affection for Mariko and also the realization that Toranaga, through Mariko, is outmaneuvering the council of regents. Blackthorne too also comes to understand what "Crimson Sky" truly means, as embodied by Mariko. From his initial disgust and horror at samurai rituals, he comes to accept it and honor Mariko's desires. Sorry, I just don't buy you easily predicted how the epsiode ended. Yabu also has a key role in the episode. Throughout the series, we see him as sadistic and despicable, yet also a comically incompetent version of the scheming "Littlefinger" from Game of Thrones. In this episode though, he has to finally choose which side he will ultimately be loyal to. Tadanobu Asano should be praised for effectively portraying Yabu to draw out the audience's conflicting emotions on him. You hate his character Yabu for what he does yet at the same time you can't help but be invested in that character and focus on him. The interplay between Mariko and Ochiba is the highlight of this series. Both of them nail their roles. I completely disagree about Yabu. There is nothing interesting or redeeming about him.The last minute reprieve by Ishido immediately drew my suspicion, as did the requirement that the others apply for a permit to leave, and Blackthorne coming to Mariko was too simplistic and sappy. I realize it was a necessary plot mechanism, but intruders infiltrating the quarters at night was literally one of the key plot points of one of the earlier episodes. I expected it. No offense, but sorry, I just don't buy your claim that you predicted the outcome of the episode. Sure, you are entitled to think like that for Yabu. But I don't think I said the character was redeeming in any way. What I did say is that he is a despicable yet fun character you can't help but pay attention to. Apparently a lot of folks agree with me on that point. I like Yabu as a character, in how he blatantly goes against the samurai honor code, always looking out for himself first and has no hesitation to throw others under the bus to save his skin. Several key plot points in the story revolves around him precisely because of his dubious nature. Comically nasty in a way yet also brutal...that is what I find him to be. As for "expecting" a different outcome for Mariko, sure, I can see how the earlier plot around her resolves too neatly in the episode. But the impact at the end, I bet you didn't forsee exactly how that turned out to be. |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 16, 2024 22:49:17 GMT -5
The interplay between Mariko and Ochiba is the highlight of this series. Both of them nail their roles. I completely disagree about Yabu. There is nothing interesting or redeeming about him.The last minute reprieve by Ishido immediately drew my suspicion, as did the requirement that the others apply for a permit to leave, and Blackthorne coming to Mariko was too simplistic and sappy. I realize it was a necessary plot mechanism, but intruders infiltrating the quarters at night was literally one of the key plot points of one of the earlier episodes. I expected it. Sure, you are entitled to think like that for Yabu. But I don't think I said the character was redeeming in any way. What I did say is that he is a despicable yet fun character you can't help but pay attention to. Apparently a lot of folks agree with me on that point. I like Yabu as a character, in how it he blatantly goes against the samurai honor code, always looking out for himself first and has no heistation to throw others under the bus to save his skin. Several key plot points in the story revolves around him precisely because of his dubious nature. Comically nasty in a way yet also brutal...that is what I find him to be. As for "expecting" a different outcome for Mariko, sure, I can see how the earlier plot around her resolves too neatly in the episode. But the impact at the end, I bet you didn't forsee exactly how that turned out to be. I think Yasube and Ishido have parallel roles--they're each not as smart as they think, and they're both getting played by someone smarter. I fully expected Mariko to die in this episode. I'm not sure how getting blasted by a door furthers the plot in any specific, meaningful direction. Her death in any manner serves the basic purpose. |
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 16, 2024 22:52:30 GMT -5
Sure, you are entitled to think like that for Yabu. But I don't think I said the character was redeeming in any way. What I did say is that he is a despicable yet fun character you can't help but pay attention to. Apparently a lot of folks agree with me on that point. I like Yabu as a character, in how it he blatantly goes against the samurai honor code, always looking out for himself first and has no heistation to throw others under the bus to save his skin. Several key plot points in the story revolves around him precisely because of his dubious nature. Comically nasty in a way yet also brutal...that is what I find him to be. As for "expecting" a different outcome for Mariko, sure, I can see how the earlier plot around her resolves too neatly in the episode. But the impact at the end, I bet you didn't forsee exactly how that turned out to be. I think Yasube and Ishido have parallel roles--they're each not as smart as they think, and they're both getting played by someone smarter. I fully expected Mariko to die in this episode. I'm not sure how getting blasted by a door furthers the plot in any specific, meaningful direction. Her death in any manner serves the basic purpose.Yes I agree Yabu got played, that's part of the fun in watching him, he wants to be like "littlefinger" but clearly lacks the ability to be so. And no offense, but sorry, I just don't buy your claim in how you can easily predicted what was in store for her exactly or the manner in which the episode ended. If you don't like how she turned out, that's your choice I will respect. But if you don't get how that advanced the plot, well, I guess you might not really be paying attention to the episode and what Mariko said...hehehe. |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 16, 2024 22:56:13 GMT -5
I think Yasube and Ishido have parallel roles--they're each not as smart as they think, and they're both getting played by someone smarter. I fully expected Mariko to die in this episode. I'm not sure how getting blasted by a door furthers the plot in any specific, meaningful direction. Her death in any manner serves the basic purpose.No offense, but sorry, I just don't buy your claim in how you can easily predicted what was in store for her exactly or the manner in which the episode ended. If you don't like how she died, that's your choice. But if you don't get how that advanced the plot, well, I guess you weren't really paying attention to the episode and what Mariko said...hehehe. Well, you guessed wrong. My point was her death is a central element of the plot, and the manner of her death is a corollary. |
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