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Post by volleynerdmw on Apr 8, 2024 20:41:40 GMT -5
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Post by vbfamily on Apr 9, 2024 11:26:45 GMT -5
Complete Free Agency and NIL together. Feels like Professional Sports. It is definitely a big change from 5 years ago.
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Post by Not Me on Apr 9, 2024 11:29:45 GMT -5
They really don’t have much of a choice. The courts have already ruled this way, so this is just formally changing the rules.
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Post by mplsgopher on Apr 9, 2024 11:56:53 GMT -5
They really don’t have much of a choice. The courts have already ruled this way, so this is just formally changing the rules. I’ve read of an injunction being issue in a case of a player who sued because the rule requiring a sit out for a 2nd transfer violated antitrust law. I have not read about a final verdict in that case? It seems like the entire NCAA is just a giant antitrust violation? Do these laws have carveouts for professional sports collective bargaining agreements? Otherwise wouldn’t they be just as susceptible? If so, then I hope major college sports conferences (Big Ten, etc) make all varsity student athletes employees of the conference, paying them with TV contract money right off the top before it ever goes to schools, and creates a players union with a CBA. Free movement every year is bad for sport. That’s proven by that no major US professional league allows it.
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Post by bluepenquin on Apr 9, 2024 13:44:20 GMT -5
As it pertains to VB - I didn't realize there were cases where someone had to sit out a year when transferring. Or that a 2nd transfer resulted in sitting out a year.
If they are now making that a player would never have to sit out a year regardless of how many times they transfer or where they transfer - then how is that much different than what we have now?
As long as you cannot play for two schools in the same season (which this expressly prohibits) - I don't see any problem with this proposal. It is something that I thought was already happening and believe it should be the existing transfer rule.
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Post by Floyd R. Turbo on Apr 9, 2024 15:32:12 GMT -5
Feels like Professional Sports. Except in professional sports, they have multi-year contracts.
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Post by n00b on Apr 9, 2024 15:35:22 GMT -5
Feels like Professional Sports. Except in professional sports, they have multi-year contracts. Many athletes have multi-year scholarships now as well. I always thought there should just be a balance. If both sides want to agree to a four year guarantee, there should be a penalty for breaking that. If the two sides agree to a 1-year scholarship then do whatever you want.
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Post by vbfamily on Apr 9, 2024 15:37:08 GMT -5
Feels like Professional Sports. Except in professional sports, they have multi-year contracts. Yep, true, but not all. But funny, the Power (4) are still required to guarantee the four years if a SA signs year one, so only binding on the school. Voidable by the SA.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 9, 2024 15:40:31 GMT -5
Except in professional sports, they have multi-year contracts. Many athletes have multi-year scholarships now as well. I always thought there should just be a balance. If both sides want to agree to a four year guarantee, there should be a penalty for breaking that. If the two sides agree to a 1-year scholarship then do whatever you want. Agreed. If they agree to year to year. It’s year to year If they agree to four year, both sides have to sign off if one wants to break that commitment Unless there is an extraordinary circumstance
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Post by oldnewbie on Apr 9, 2024 16:13:34 GMT -5
As it pertains to VB - I didn't realize there were cases where someone had to sit out a year when transferring. Or that a 2nd transfer resulted in sitting out a year. If they are now making that a player would never have to sit out a year regardless of how many times they transfer or where they transfer - then how is that much different than what we have now? As long as you cannot play for two schools in the same season (which this expressly prohibits) - I don't see any problem with this proposal. It is something that I thought was already happening and believe it should be the existing transfer rule. A second transfer without a degree still required a valid reason to avoid sitting out a year, but there was a lawsuit and I believe the NCAA stopped caring back in December, pending the result of that suit. I believe that has now been extended at least through this year and may be extended indefinitely. That rule is going to bite a lot of SAs, because transferring without a degree can have deleterious impact on your progress toward a degree. With just one transfer (and without the Covid year), a lot of athletes would not graduate in 4 years because the programs won't line up between schools. Transfer twice and there is little chance to graduate in 4 years, then the SA is on the hook to finish their degree on their own dime.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 9, 2024 16:16:43 GMT -5
But funny, the Power (4) are still required to guarantee the four years if a SA signs year one, so only binding on the school. Those are self-imposed rules. The NCAA only says that scholarships must clearly be defined as either "four-year" or "one-year". It doesn't mandate the "four-year" version. It only mandates that "four-years" actually means four years. But it's hard to recruit with a one-year scholarship against people who are recruiting with four-year scholarships.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 9, 2024 16:21:08 GMT -5
That rule is going to bite a lot of SAs, because transferring without a degree can have deleterious impact on your progress toward a degree. With just one transfer (and without the Covid year), a lot of athletes would not graduate in 4 years because the programs won't line up between schools. Transfer twice and there is little chance to graduate in 4 years, then the SA is on the hook to finish their degree on their own dime. ... if that's important to them. It's not surprising, given that this is a volleyball forum and not an educational forum, but the general assumption of most posters in this forum is that players pick schools based on volleyball factors, rather than academic factors. (Even though many people still give lip service to the idea of student athletes.)
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Post by Floyd R. Turbo on Apr 10, 2024 8:31:50 GMT -5
Many athletes have multi-year scholarships now as well. I always thought there should just be a balance. If both sides want to agree to a four year guarantee, there should be a penalty for breaking that. If the two sides agree to a 1-year scholarship then do whatever you want. Agreed. If they agree to year to year. It’s year to year If they agree to four year, both sides have to sign off if one wants to break that commitment Unless there is an extraordinary circumstance Do schools actually enforce that? A player is on a four-year scholarship and wants out - are they going to force her to stay? Sounds like a recipe for locker room drama. And for those players who aren't on scholarships but are raking in big NIL cash - thinking football and basketball here - they are free agents.
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Post by n00b on Apr 10, 2024 11:03:31 GMT -5
Agreed. If they agree to year to year. It’s year to year If they agree to four year, both sides have to sign off if one wants to break that commitment Unless there is an extraordinary circumstance Do schools actually enforce that? A player is on a four-year scholarship and wants out - are they going to force her to stay? Sounds like a recipe for locker room drama. And for those players who aren't on scholarships but are raking in big NIL cash - thinking football and basketball here - they are free agents. The enforcement mechanism would revert to the old rules where you had to sit out a year. Athletes still transferred. And you can still be on scholarship at the new school. And you'd still be able to play four seasons of competition. Just with one year of only practicing and going to class. I've heard the most likely result of this is unlimited transfers, but the progress to degree requirements remain. So after your 2nd year, you'd need to have 40% of your degree complete. After your 3rd year, you'd need to have 60% of your degree complete. That one can be tricky depending on the school and how many transfer credits they'll apply to the degree.
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Post by toomuchvb on Apr 10, 2024 11:34:03 GMT -5
Just don’t allow the transfer situation as in the Puerto Rican League. They have players coming and going monthly, weekly. Too much, imo.
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