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Post by doodlebob on Apr 23, 2024 8:04:01 GMT -5
Yea I guess hindsight, it wasn't a 'poor' finish. I guess it just looks to me like they weren't in the form they were about 8 months ago. I saw flashes here or there. But they could be just get back into the swing of competing. Their losses were of course to some very good teams, but also teams that I do think they have been capable of beating previously. Glad they are pretty much on lock for the Olympics though.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 23, 2024 9:02:16 GMT -5
Is there any way that Benesh / Partain doesn't qualify if they keep posting more poor finishes? Or are their previous tournament successes enough to get them to the Olympics (barring an injury or something) I wouldn't really consider a 9th in an Elite16 a poor finish for them, but they're still a lock for Paris as long as they show up for two more events. They're currently sitting at 8220 points in 10 events, and even if they go winless in pool play of the next two Elite16s they'll be adding 460 points each. They're fine. It was a pretty poor showing. They finished 9th because they had a WC and a Q team in their pool, but they played two second tier Elite teams and got crushed by both. In 4 games against average competition, they were never in danger of winning a game. First event out, so may not mean much, but this was definitely a bad finish.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 23, 2024 9:20:27 GMT -5
I wouldn't really consider a 9th in an Elite16 a poor finish for them, but they're still a lock for Paris as long as they show up for two more events. They're currently sitting at 8220 points in 10 events, and even if they go winless in pool play of the next two Elite16s they'll be adding 460 points each. They're fine. Generally, a finish isn't a number. It matters which team knocked a team out. It is possible the 2nd best team in a tourney would be knocked out by the best team in Rd. of 16 or Quarters, and finish 5th or 9th. It is also possible a 10th best team in a tourney can advance to simis just because a better team they would have met in Quarters was previously eliminated by a lower team, just b/c that happens at times. Back to the point. Yes, the Menesh I'm seeing now would not threaten a healthy NOR/SWE/CZE/ or NED1. But I did like their win over the eventualnBronze medalists CUB in Pool. So I'm left with some hope that more frequent play will result in higher results on the road into Paris. To be clear, I don't think they're the 12th best team (ave. placement of all those teams finishing 9th), and I do think they're around 7 or 8th best at the moment. I expect that to slowly increase as they get back into the E16 groove.
Again its their first event of the year, but in terms of how they have been playing since Montreal last July, they definitely aren't 7th and 8th is a reach. You mentioned 4 teams that are inarguably better right now. So that puts them 5th at best. But then you have Losiak/Bryl who have beaten them three straight times in two games - while also posting better overall finishes. So no better than 6th. Italy have beaten them twice running (also in 2 games each time) and posted better finishes. So 7th. Germany has two straight over Menesh and better finishes. 8th. (at best). I don't think any of those teams are even disputable based on recent play. Andre/George have finished top 4 at four different Elites and have won a Challenge since Miles/Andy last did better than 5th. So I don't think you can put Menesh above them (again based on recent play). So 9th Since Montreal, even Qatar has played consistently better volleyball then Miles/Andy (and have beaten them 3 straight times) 10th. Hopefully they can get back to the way they played in that two event stretch last year, but its been a while since they played at a middle or top tier Elite level
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Post by ajm on Apr 23, 2024 10:43:41 GMT -5
Considering USA4 is out of olympic race, any idea why they wouldn't have withdrawn from Xiamen yet? I don't see them shown as withdrawn, and wonder if there is some sort of penalty for withdrawing this late. I think across the pond’s site shows them as withdrawn. Yes, yesterday they were still in the main draw, today they are listed as withdrawn. They also just dropped out of the Brasilia and Esphinho Elite16s. I think we can probably conclude that their international partnership is over. And soon we'll find out if they'll stick together for AVP Huntington Beach.
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Post by dunninla3 on Apr 28, 2024 0:39:11 GMT -5
1. NOR, Mol / Sørum, 10820 2. SWE, Åhman / Hellvig, 10780 3. BRA1, George / Andre, 8420 4. CZE, Perusic / Schweiner, 8380 5. GER, Ehlers / Wickler, 8340 6. POL, Bryl / Losiak, 8320 7. USA1, Benesh / Partain, 8220 8. ITA1, Cottafava / Nicolai, 7880 9. NED1, Boermans / De Groot, 7840, (7260 + 600) -- note: (have played only 9, assumes 10th finish will equal lowest counting) 10. BRA2, Evandro / Arthur, 7520 QAT, Cherif / Ahmed, 7340 12. NED2, Brouwer / Meeuwsen, 7240
13. ESP, Herrera / Gavira, 6980
= 14. USA2, Crabb / Brunner, 6940 (1120, 800,760,600,600,600,600,460,600,800) 460,460 (fixed) ---Notes: MxCha (800), Mx E16(600), CHNCha (460), BRA E16 (Q1) 15. ITA2, Ranghieri / Carambula, 6920 IMO 1-15 except for USA2 and NED2 are already secure in their Olympic berth via Points ----------- IMO all the below plus USA2 and NED2 are still in play, some more than others/ Below each team's finish listing is a listing of in which of the next 4 FIVB tournaments the team is registered to play. xx. NED3, Immers / Partner, 6820 (900,800,800,760,600,600,600,600,760,600) 460,400 ---Notes: MxCha (600), Mx E16(760), CHNCha (N), BRA E16 (Y)
+ xx USA3, Budinger / Evans, 6800 (800,760,720,(720 min. coming from NORCECA Finals May 13) 680,640,600,600,600,680) 460,460 ---Notes: MxCha (460), Mx E16(400), CHNCha (680), BRA E16 (MD9)
+ 16. AUS1, Hodges / Schubert, 6720, (800,800,800,760,720,600,600,460,460,600) 460,460 ---Notes: MxCha (460), Mx E16(N), CHNCha (600), BRA E16 (N) = 17. AUT1, Hörl / Horst 6340, (900,760,720,640,600,600,600,600,460,460) 460,460 ---Notes: MxCha (460), Mx E16(N), CHNCha (460), BRA E16 (Y)
+ 18. CHI, Grimalt / Grimalt, 6160(760,760,760,680,640,600,460,460,460,800) 460,460 ---Notes: MxCha (140), Mx E16(460), CHNCha (800), BRA E16 (WL2) ------------- = 19. CUB, Diaz / Alayo, 6144 (800,760,760,680,640,460,460,720(assumed min finish at May 13 NORCECA),1000,680) 432,320 ---Notes: MxCha (680), Mx E16(1000), CHNCha (460), BRA E16 (N) = 20. AUT2, Seidl / Pristauz, 5740 (800,800,720,640,600,460,460,460,400,400) 360,360 ---Notes: MxCha (220), Mx E16(340), CHNCha (300), BRA E16 (Y) = 21. NOR2, MolH, / Berntsen, 5600, (760,720,640,600,460,460,460,460,460,600) 400,360 ---Notes: MxCha (300), Mx E16(400), CHNCha (600), BRA E16 (Y) 22. POL2, Kantor / Zdybak, 5360, (760,680,640,600,600,460,460,460,360,340) 300,300 ---Notes: MxCha (N), Mx E16(N), CHNCha (Y), BRA E16 (Y) = 23. CAN, Schachter / Dearing, 5260, (760,640,600,600,600,460,460,400,400,340) 340,300 ---Notes: MxCha (N), Mx E16(Y), CHNCha (300), BRA E16 (Y) + 24. LTU, Stankevicius / Knasas, 5120 (720,600,600,600,460,460,460,400,360,460) 360,340, ---Notes: MxCha (360), Mx E16(N), CHNCha (460), BRA E16 (Y)
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Post by ajm on Apr 28, 2024 8:14:55 GMT -5
Is there a NORCECA equivalent that will give the Grimalts another boost in points? Just looked it up and yes, the South America continental finals is in Brazil in two weeks. Teams entered include the Grimalts, Aravena/Droguett, Evandro/Arthur, and the Capogrossos. Likely another 720 points at least for the Grimalts.
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Post by dunninla3 on Apr 28, 2024 10:38:23 GMT -5
Is there a NORCECA equivalent that will give the Grimalts another boost in points? Just looked it up and yes, the South America continental finals is in Brazil in two weeks. Teams entered include the Grimalts, Aravena/Droguett, Evandro/Arthur, and the Capogrossos. Likely another 720 points at least for the Grimalts. which makes the race for Olympic Points ranking 18 much more interesting, with the Grimalts having resurrected themselves from the grave. Just edited points above to reflect an anticipated minimum 680 point finish at the SA Continental Finals.
This new anticipated total would put the race for Spot 18 between Horl/Horst and CUB. Cuba is 200 points behind AUT1, and aren't entered into Brasilia. If CUB play in a couple more tournaments, say Stare Jablonki and and Espinho, they will almost certainly pass AUT for 18th.
CAN has to be concerned that Mudinger eliminated CUB early in Xiamen. Just when they thought they were a favorite for the NORCECA Qualifier mid June... they might have to beat CUB (maybe 20% chance)
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Post by bvbllr on Apr 28, 2024 13:19:38 GMT -5
Just looked it up and yes, the South America continental finals is in Brazil in two weeks. Teams entered include the Grimalts, Aravena/Droguett, Evandro/Arthur, and the Capogrossos. Likely another 720 points at least for the Grimalts. which makes the race for Olympic Points ranking 18 much more interesting, with the Grimalts having resurrected themselves from the grave. Just edited points above to reflect an anticipated minimum 680 point finish at the SA Continental Finals.
This new anticipated total would put the race for Spot 18 between Horl/Horst and CUB. Cuba is 200 points behind AUT1, and aren't entered into Brasilia. If CUB play in a couple more tournaments, say Stare Jablonki and and Espinho, they will almost certainly pass AUT for 18th.
CAN has to be concerned that Mudinger eliminated CUB early in Xiamen. Just when they thought they were a favorite for the NORCECA Qualifier mid June... they might have to beat CUB (maybe 20% chance)
Wow all those swings for match vs. the Grimalts in the second set must haunt AUT for a very long time. They may have given away their otherwise secure ticket by not closing that game.
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Post by larabeach on Apr 28, 2024 14:39:06 GMT -5
Is there a NORCECA equivalent that will give the Grimalts another boost in points? Just looked it up and yes, the South America continental finals is in Brazil in two weeks. Teams entered include the Grimalts, Aravena/Droguett, Evandro/Arthur, and the Capogrossos. Likely another 720 points at least for the Grimalts. That is correct, kind of, BUT, a team can only use one contineltal championship for the whole qualification period. Since the Grimalts already took part in last year's South American Champs (placed second for 720points), they can only improve if they win for 800 points, a boost of just 80.
If I understand the rule correctly, they would drop the previous CSVP Finals, not their worst finish.
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