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Post by volleyball303 on Nov 12, 2024 19:25:35 GMT -5
Regardless of whatever these people do, the chances of Colorado State not being the Mountain West champion are small, and the chances of a Mountain West team making it past the first round of the tournament are even smaller. SJSU is guaranteed to make the MWC tournament. With who's left on their schedule, they could very well not be a top 2 team. 2 of the other 5 teams nearly guaranteed to make the tournament have forfeit against SJSU, and the next team up did as well. It will be mildly interesting to see what they do. I think of CSU is clicking they could win a first round match in the NCAA tournament. They would need the right draw. I do think their rpi is good enough to get a 2v3 first round instead of a 1v4. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Nov 12, 2024 19:33:40 GMT -5
Regardless of whatever these people do, the chances of Colorado State not being the Mountain West champion are small, and the chances of a Mountain West team making it past the first round of the tournament are even smaller. SJSU is guaranteed to make the MWC tournament. With who's left on their schedule, they could very well not be a top 2 team. 2 of the other 5 teams nearly guaranteed to make the tournament have forfeit against SJSU, and the next team up did as well. It will be mildly interesting to see what they do. I think of CSU is clicking they could win a first round match in the NCAA tournament. They would need the right draw. I do think their rpi is good enough to get a 2v3 first round instead of a 1v4. agreed. if Herman, Jones, and Weathers are firing, they could easily beat one of those many mid-tier teams that will make the tournament |
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Post by vbman100 on Nov 13, 2024 8:54:29 GMT -5
Teams need to start forfeiting matches that will hurt their RPI and possibility of making the NCAA Tournament. Just use any excuse you want.
It is called Women's Volleyball, not RPI Deciding Tournament Teams Volleyball.
We know the committee uses RPI to determine teams in the tournament, so it should be fine.
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Post by GatorsChomp on Nov 13, 2024 10:57:58 GMT -5
Do you think the committee would be wrong to punish teams dodging matchups to protect their RPI? I think a forfeit should count as a loss and thus impact the RPI - Problem solved. I thought a forfeit does count as a loss ? |
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Post by maigrey on Nov 13, 2024 11:03:49 GMT -5
I think a forfeit should count as a loss and thus impact the RPI - Problem solved. I thought a forfeit does count as a loss ? only for conference tournaments, for the NCAA, it counts as a no-contest. |
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Post by n00b on Nov 13, 2024 11:11:46 GMT -5
Teams need to start forfeiting matches that will hurt their RPI and possibility of making the NCAA Tournament. Just use any excuse you want. It is called Women's Volleyball, not RPI Deciding Tournament Teams Volleyball. We know the committee uses RPI to determine teams in the tournament, so it should be fine. I suspect if this happened in the Big Ten for RPI reasons (not political ones), the conference would come down HARD on the school for allowing it. I’m not sure what conference bylaws allow for, but they’d do as much as they could. |
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Post by vbman100 on Nov 13, 2024 11:51:06 GMT -5
Teams need to start forfeiting matches that will hurt their RPI and possibility of making the NCAA Tournament. Just use any excuse you want. It is called Women's Volleyball, not RPI Deciding Tournament Teams Volleyball. We know the committee uses RPI to determine teams in the tournament, so it should be fine. I suspect if this happened in the Big Ten for RPI reasons (not political ones), the conference would come down HARD on the school for allowing it. I’m not sure what conference bylaws allow for, but they’d do as much as they could. Well, of course you don't actually give a reason, kind of like how the schools in the Mountain West are. Or say Anna Smrek is a guy. You know, whatever you want. Make her prove it. Or you don't support Nebraska allowing a person who endangered the lives of others by driving intoxicated. We forfeit. (Those matches would help teams RPI, so maybe not those specific ones, but find a player on Iowa or Maryland or Mich St and say they're a guy or something. Or a pedophile. You don't actually have to name anyone. The MW doesn't.) |
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Post by GatorsChomp on Nov 13, 2024 13:45:02 GMT -5
I thought a forfeit does count as a loss ? only for conference tournaments, for the NCAA, it counts as a no-contest. Oh hell no??? |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 13, 2024 13:51:20 GMT -5
Do you think the committee would be wrong to punish teams dodging matchups to protect their RPI? I think a forfeit should count as a loss and thus impact the RPI - Problem solved. Well, that's not the rule (for the NCAA). I can see an argument both ways. If a team can't play because of a hurricane or something, should they take a loss in the RPI? If a lot of teams start forfeiting matches in order to game their records and RPIs, I suspect the NCAA would change the rule. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 13, 2024 13:53:11 GMT -5
I thought a forfeit does count as a loss ? only for conference tournaments, for the NCAA, it counts as a no-contest. More specifically: Conferences can handle forfeits any way they want to. For the NCAA, it counts as "no contest" unless the refs have already started the match. If the refs have already started the match, it would count as a loss. (That situation would most obviously apply if a team started with six players, but then lost one due to injury or ejection during the match. Teams are not allowed to play down a player. Or maybe it might happen if, for some reason, a team decided mid-match not to continue the match.) |
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 13, 2024 14:00:29 GMT -5
I think a forfeit should count as a loss and thus impact the RPI - Problem solved. Well, that's not the rule (for the NCAA). I can see an argument both ways. If a team can't play because of a hurricane or something, should they take a loss in the RPI? If a lot of teams start forfeiting matches in order to game their records and RPIs, I suspect the NCAA would change the rule. I’m pretty sure natural disasters can have a carve out - a force majeure clause. Not being able to play because of life threatening issues or not being able to get to the site of the competition is different than simply choosing not to, and my guess is that any reasonable person could tell the difference in situations. In fact, in hurricane situations, don’t teams agree to “cancel” the match? I felt this same way during the covid year when teams would cancel because a particular player was out. They were able to field a team, they just weren’t able to field the team they WANTED to - so they just “cancelled” and the match was a no contest. I just don’t see why the other team willing to play in those situation should not get the win. |
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Post by n00b on Nov 14, 2024 12:40:36 GMT -5
For what it's worth, a new lawsuit has been filed against the Mountain West seeking emergency injunctive relief.
"The lawsuit thus seeks an injunction and asks for the conference to either disqualify San Jose State from competing in the conference tournament, disqualify Blaire Fleming from competing in the conference tournament, and/or remove the losses from the records of teams who protested by not competing against SJSU – and, subsequently, remove the wins from SJSU."
But if I'm looking at the standings correctly, even if you simply removed the forfeited matches, the same six teams would qualify. San Jose would just be seeded lower with a 6-5 record.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 14, 2024 12:47:26 GMT -5
For what it's worth, a new lawsuit has been filed against the Mountain West seeking emergency injunctive relief. Filed by whom? Interesting use of the passive voice there (lawsuit has been filed), but lawsuits don't file themselves. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 14, 2024 12:55:26 GMT -5
OK, I think the lawsuit in question must be the one filed by the anti-transgender advocacy group ICONS.
I have no sympathy for them. Sounds like they are annoyed that their attempted bullying has had a negative effect on themselves. (And yes, I realize that there are other ways to see the situation, but that's how I see it.)
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Post by robtearle on Nov 14, 2024 12:59:13 GMT -5
For what it's worth, a new lawsuit has been filed against the Mountain West seeking emergency injunctive relief. Filed by whom? Interesting use of the passive voice there (lawsuit has been filed), but lawsuits don't file themselves. Real lawyers, please weigh in here. But I think they have pretty zero chance of getting such an injunction, based on 'likelihood of winning at trial"; and that there is a "laches" argument, in that the harm here isn't new, it's been happening all year. So why didn't you file this suit months ago? |
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