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Post by bbg95 on Nov 7, 2024 15:40:42 GMT -5
I think you're a little too married to whatever the metrics say rather than seeing how teams do against top competition, which is your prerogative. For example, would you believe that Oregon football was still a better team than Washington last year even after losing to them twice? FPI continued to rank Oregon higher despite the clear evidence to the contrary. At what point do the actual on-field or on-court results outweigh what computers think for you? I didn't/don't follow PAC football or know what FPI is or how it calculates stuff. I don't know if it has 20 years of being very accurate like Pablo does with Women's Volleyball. In general - I think it is very possible for a team to go 0-2 against a team and still be a better team. I don't like to exclude 85% of a season and only look at 1 or 2 games/matches. If I knew more or followed more closely - it is very possible that I still believe Oregon was a better football team than Washington. Doesn't really matter - Washington won and made it to the finals. I would relate it this way. In the NFL - the KC Chiefs beat the Baltimore Ravens in the AFC Championship game last year in Balitmore. DVOA said before and after that game that the Ravens were clearly a better team. I do believe the Ravens were better despite the Chiefs winning that game and then the Super Bowl. Fast forward to this season. KC is 8-0 and Baltimore is 6-3. Kansas City beat Baltimore (at home) the first week. Yet - DVOA has Baltimore as the 2nd best team in the NFL this year and Kansas City as the 4th. I believe Baltimore is a better team right now and have played better this season than Kansas City. FPI is national, not specific to the Pac-12. Anyway, it sounds like you just defer to the metrics as a rule almost regardless of the results on the field or court (if that's inaccurate, please enlighten me, as I don't want to mischaracterize your position). As I said, that's your prerogative, but I don't share it. |
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Post by buttery on Nov 7, 2024 16:28:58 GMT -5
I had a conflict and only saw the middle of the 4th on so I am probably stepping in it significantly, but a few thoughts on the end of that set. Bien should’ve been in after the last KU timeout and when Swanson got stuff blocked. I assume she hit poorly before that, but I don’t care - with the game on the line, I want my best players on the court and Turner/Bien definitely fit that bill. At least she would’ve been able to pass a ball up to the net (a couple 1.00 passes led to those Swanson errors to be fair). I have mentioned it in the Kansas forum, and she will be great for KU, but the risk-reward of Dever’s serve is not worth it right now IMO at SS and it bit us at a crucial moment in the game. I like McCarthy’s length to dig a ball and serve the ball in at this point. Stinks because I would’ve loved to see KU potentially run the table and this IMO was their biggest challenge to that. They definitely have the driver’s seat now for the Big 12 title although both teams can’t be counting their chickens before they hatch. The difference between a 6 seed and a 11 or 12 at this point is really negligible at best so I hope we learn from this and start clicking towards tournament time. In case you don't watch. A recap from my memory. Set 1: I don't think either team played all that well. It was back and forth all set. ASU was the first to 20 and Kansas was trying to catch up. Kansas never had a set point and ended up losing the set on an ace (or shanked pass) - which ironically has happened to Kansas multiple times on set point over the last 4 years. Bien was 1 kill and 4 errors (from memory) - and all 4 errors were stuff blocks against a double block. Onabanjo only had 2 attacks the entire set (0 kills). Ptacek was scoring points (but also was stuff blocked at least a couple of times). There was no rhythm for Kansas - and scored a lot of points on blocks (and some additional hitting errors). Turner was a big part of their blocks - plus she was scoring some points and digging everything that came her way. I don't remember the stats for ASU for the 1st set - but I think they were experiencing something similar. 26-24 ASU. Set 2: Started off similar to set 1 - Kansas finally made the switch to Swanson (which seemed to make a difference). By the middle of the set - Kansas had pulled away for an easy win - ASU a small run towards the end to get it to 25-20. Like I mentioned - Swanson helped. Onabanjo was doing her usual stuff and Elnady was heating up. Ptacek with a lot of hitting errors and Davis never really taken off at any point in the match was the downside. Set 3: Kansas got blown out early and never really had a chance to win the set. Being down 10 or so and the set being effectively over - they went on a run and picked up their game significantly. Lost 25-20 - the set really wasn't as close as the score, but Kansas was playing at a decent level by the end of the set. Set 4: Again - Kansas gets off to a bad start and trailed something like 7-3. They quickly got back in the set - and generally speaking I thought both teams played well in the 4th set. The floor defense for both teams and particularly the liberos was great. There were many improbably scrambles where either team stayed in the point. I felt like Elnady was hitting some bombs that ASU was able to get. The essential problem was they just didn't have any ability to use their middles (and I am not sure the cause) - which allowed ASU to camp out on the KU's outsides all game with 2 blockers. Ung and ASU was more effective in running their quick offense and creating single block opportunities (and a couple of beautiful plays where they had no blockers). ASU's quick offense is very effective in counteracting their lack of height. A huge key for them is how to work around Cromartie receiving serve while in the front row - that is their potential for weakness on consistent siding out. Thanks - yeah other thing I should’ve mentioned was I feel like Turner didn’t set a middle from point 17 in set 4 on. Both Ptacek and Onabanjo are usually good on both middle attacks and slides, so I found that odd. Against the best teams (Say Top 15 and up), we can’t afford to become an outside heavy team because Bien’s and Elnady’s game is obviously not to take big cross court rips like say Sarah Franklin, Skinner, or Cooper last year. Not that we can do this at this point, but when we have only 2 live attackers, it was nice to have the optionally last year to have Dalton run a 5-1 and then have Turner hit. It just gave blockers something else to worry about and freed up our outsides a little bit more. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Nov 8, 2024 9:48:22 GMT -5
ASU
Team: 2.52
Shroll: 2.8
Cyr: 2.7
Cromarite: 2.19
Kansas
Team: 2.46
Bien 2.65
Mcgehe: 2.35
Elnady: 2.41
Burns: 2.2
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Post by Fe Gaslay on Nov 8, 2024 10:07:28 GMT -5
ASU Team: 2.52 Shroll: 2.8 Cyr: 2.7 Cromarite: 2.19 Kansas Team: 2.46 Bien 2.65 Mcgehe: 2.35 Elnady: 2.41 Burns: 2.2 WOW |
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Post by hail2pitt on Nov 8, 2024 11:39:13 GMT -5
ASU Team: 2.52 Shroll: 2.8 Cyr: 2.7 Cromarite: 2.19 Kansas Team: 2.46 Bien 2.65 Mcgehe: 2.35 Elnady: 2.41 Burns: 2.2 Not surprised tho- these were clearly two of the best passing teams in the country heading into this game |
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