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Post by volleyball90 on Nov 11, 2024 13:42:26 GMT -5
Good points overall. Not sure what makes Wisconsin "third best" to you as Louisville beat them earlier in the season and has better metrics in every category. Wisconsin has one RPI Top 10 win while Louisville has five RPI Top 10 wins. In terms of EVolle (and probably Pablo) - the difference between Wisconsin, Louisville, Creighton, and Stanford is pretty small - small enough that the precision of these kinds of things probably isn't good enough to be definitive. So - Wisconsin may has as good of claim to #3 as any of these teams. Plus - there may be some evidence that Wisconsin today is much different than Wisconsin in August/early September. I can see an argument that Wisconsin is the 3rd best team right now. Some evidence is underselling it. - Wisconsin started a true freshmen OH who hit negative against Louisville as their 4 year starting OH (who is hitting .269 for the year) was injured.
- GG was still at Libero rather than the clearly superior Lola.
- Frank and Smrek were not 100% at time as well (Honestly pretty crazy that Frank was already back to playing 6 rotations after her fracture during the summer).
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Post by horns1 on Nov 11, 2024 14:09:10 GMT -5
I know everyone wants to knock Creighton Big East Schedule but just from the eye test in the Non Con games they certainly belong in the top 4. When will the NCAA come out with their next set of rankings? I know they did it two weeks ago but will they do it again? Sorry, but they don't. It's great that they scheduled matches against Nebraska and Louisville; but, a team still has to win one of those matches for it to count as an actual RPI Top 10 win. It's too bad Purdue, Mizzou or Kansas aren't likely to be ranked in the RPI Top 10 because victories by Creighton over those teams warrants recognition as a Top 10 national seed, just not a national Top 5 seed. |
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Post by austintatious on Nov 11, 2024 14:19:31 GMT -5
When was the last time seeding top 4 was the topic and Texas is not even in the "maybe" list.
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Post by azsker on Nov 11, 2024 14:23:41 GMT -5
In terms of EVolle (and probably Pablo) - the difference between Wisconsin, Louisville, Creighton, and Stanford is pretty small - small enough that the precision of these kinds of things probably isn't good enough to be definitive. So - Wisconsin may has as good of claim to #3 as any of these teams. Plus - there may be some evidence that Wisconsin today is much different than Wisconsin in August/early September. I can see an argument that Wisconsin is the 3rd best team right now. Some evidence is underselling it. - Wisconsin started a true freshmen OH who hit negative against Louisville as their 4 year starting OH (who is hitting .269 for the year) was injured.
- GG was still at Libero rather than the clearly superior Lola.
- Frank and Smrek were not 100% at time as well (Honestly pretty crazy that Frank was already back to playing 6 rotations after her fracture during the summer).
this evidence is irrelevant given GG was CHOSEN BY THE STAFF over Lola, Franklin averaged nearly 60 attacks in their first 3 games showing she was clearly up for the task (60 and 69 in the 1st two games!!!), and Stanford also has multiple freshmen in their lineup. Every team has obstacles they have to push through over a 5 month process, it doesn't change the fact games were lost. Especially since they also lost to Minnesota and Nebraska, well after the start of the season. |
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Post by horns1 on Nov 11, 2024 14:25:41 GMT -5
When was the last time seeding top 4 was the topic and Texas is not even in the "maybe" list. Last year. It was evident from the committee's first reveal in 2023 that Texas wasn't gonna be able to overcome its lack of RPI Top 10 wins to be seeded in the Top 4. |
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Post by bigtenchamp1997 on Nov 11, 2024 14:36:09 GMT -5
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The Massey ratings I used are from this morning and are through Sunday night.
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Post by cuhawk on Nov 11, 2024 14:46:45 GMT -5
I know everyone wants to knock Creighton Big East Schedule but just from the eye test in the Non Con games they certainly belong in the top 4. When will the NCAA come out with their next set of rankings? I know they did it two weeks ago but will they do it again? Sorry, but they don't. It's great that they scheduled matches against Nebraska and Louisville; but, a team still has to win one of those matches for it to count as an actual RPI Top 10 win. It's too bad Purdue, Mizzou or Kansas aren't likely to be ranked in the RPI Top 10 because victories by Creighton over those teams warrants recognition as a Top 10 national seed, just not a national Top 5 seed. Do you know what eye tests even means? |
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Post by horns1 on Nov 11, 2024 15:00:06 GMT -5
Sorry, but they don't. It's great that they scheduled matches against Nebraska and Louisville; but, a team still has to win one of those matches for it to count as an actual RPI Top 10 win. It's too bad Purdue, Mizzou or Kansas aren't likely to be ranked in the RPI Top 10 because victories by Creighton over those teams warrants recognition as a Top 10 national seed, just not a national Top 5 seed. Do you know what eye tests even means? Yes, and I don't agree with you. Do you know what your statement that they "certainly belong in the top 4" means? You are biased. They do NOT belong in the Top 4. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 11, 2024 15:13:58 GMT -5
In terms of EVolle (and probably Pablo) - the difference between Wisconsin, Louisville, Creighton, and Stanford is pretty small - small enough that the precision of these kinds of things probably isn't good enough to be definitive. So - Wisconsin may has as good of claim to #3 as any of these teams. Plus - there may be some evidence that Wisconsin today is much different than Wisconsin in August/early September. I can see an argument that Wisconsin is the 3rd best team right now. I've never heard of EVolle; does the committee use that when they rank teams? If they don't, then it really doesn't matter to Bracketology. We do know the committee uses RPI. And, Louisville is currently #2 in the RPI rankings, while Wisconsin is #8. Wisconsin really only has 1 chance to improve its resume' and that's by winning at Nebraska; winning at USC won't move the needle much, IMO. It just won't be enough to overtake Louisville, IMO. Do they have a chance to overtake Penn State? I guess that's possible since they have the recent head-to-head win over PSU. Ah! - I was saying that there is an argument that Wisconsin is the 3rd best team in the country. That says nothing as to whether they will or should be a top 4 seed (which I don't think they will or should be). EVolle and Pablo have nothing to do with the committee - they are very much relevant in who would be favored (two different things). I will keep tagging this website (EVolle). It is free and from what I can tell is awesome. You can drill down into things like - how often your team wins a point when a specific player receives serve - some extra details not found anywhere else that I can find. Plus - I think it does a really good job rating teams from 1 to 300+. evollve.net/ |
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 11, 2024 15:23:09 GMT -5
Bluepenguin The Massey ratings I used are from this morning and are through Sunday night. Massey has a couple rankings. RAT is probably the one you were using. If I remember - this is more based on wins and losses. PWR is the other rating right next to this - and this is the one they describe as relating to how good a team is - as in future matches. Most people want to use RAT, but if we are looking at who Massey thinks is better - we should use PWR. |
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Post by volleyball90 on Nov 11, 2024 15:31:29 GMT -5
Some evidence is underselling it. - Wisconsin started a true freshmen OH who hit negative against Louisville as their 4 year starting OH (who is hitting .269 for the year) was injured.
- GG was still at Libero rather than the clearly superior Lola.
- Frank and Smrek were not 100% at time as well (Honestly pretty crazy that Frank was already back to playing 6 rotations after her fracture during the summer).
this evidence is irrelevant given GG was CHOSEN BY THE STAFF over Lola, Franklin averaged nearly 60 attacks in their first 3 games showing she was clearly up for the task (60 and 69 in the 1st two games!!!), and Stanford also has multiple freshmen in their lineup. Every team has obstacles they have to push through over a 5 month process, it doesn't change the fact games were lost. Especially since they also lost to Minnesota and Nebraska, well after the start of the season. GG is a 3rd year player and former starting libero vs a true freshman, obviously she would be given the first chance. Regardless, Wisconsin is a different team with Lola at libero. Also notably, GG played Libero against Minnesota and it went very poorly. This was a huge mistake by Wisconsin coaching staff (as Lola was the starting libero prior to the match) and GG should have been switched out instead of getting targeted over and over (over 60 serves at her!). Lola hasn't lost the spot since. Franklin was healthy enough to play, but its clear she wasn't in playing shape at the beginning of the season. Wisconsin literally had no other option as Orzol was already out (having Orzol out was worse as her replacement was very bad). Also why Frank had so many attempts, because the other OH option was so bad. To discount missing Orzol in the front row, a player who was starting 6 rotation outside for a title winning team as a true freshmen is ridiculous. The point still stands, Wisconsin is clearly a different team then their first 3 matches in the season in a way that is arguably more different than most teams. This is not an argument to rank Wisconsin over Louisville. The losses matter for seedings of course and I wouldn't argue otherwise. But, if you were to ask yourself who is the 3rd best team right now, I would bet many would say Wisconsin because of the factors listed. Nebraska is also a different team than their start as Landfair has won the starting job and she was a difference maker in dominate win over Wisconsin and a reason I would consider Nebraska over Pitt. |
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Post by jwvolley on Nov 11, 2024 15:32:14 GMT -5
Bluepenguin The Massey ratings I used are from this morning and are through Sunday night. Massey has a couple rankings. RAT is probably the one you were using. If I remember - this is more based on wins and losses. PWR is the other rating right next to this - and this is the one they describe as relating to how good a team is - as in future matches. Most people want to use RAT, but if we are looking at who Massey thinks is better - we should use PWR. The PWR ranking has SMU at 17 and Texas at 5. Sus! |
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 11, 2024 15:33:40 GMT -5
Massey has a couple rankings. RAT is probably the one you were using. If I remember - this is more based on wins and losses. PWR is the other rating right next to this - and this is the one they describe as relating to how good a team is - as in future matches. Most people want to use RAT, but if we are looking at who Massey thinks is better - we should use PWR. The PWR ranking has SMU at 17 and Texas at 5. Sus! I agree - I don't buy the Massey ratings. I don't think Massey has as near as good track record as Pablo. |
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Nov 11, 2024 15:43:41 GMT -5
And Pablo has Penn State at 11 this week!
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 11, 2024 16:44:08 GMT -5
And Pablo has Penn State at 11 this week! That kind of discredits Pablo tbh. |
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