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Post by trianglevolleyball on Nov 8, 2024 19:31:23 GMT -5
The SEC getting special treatment in terms of SOS (and particularly OOC SOS) is ridiculous. The single round-robin and short conference schedule is even hiding it due to RPI ridiculousness. Not sure I understand that comment. SEC has 15 schools who field volleyball programs. They play each other once in conference play, and play 2 schools twice for a total of 16 conference matches. B1G has 18 schools who all field volleyball programs. They play each other once in conference play, and play 3 schools twice for a total of 20 conference matches. Nobody forced the B1G to expand to 18 members. Why be intentionally dense about the point he was making? It doesn’t matter how many teams are in the conference. It is about the amount of matches you play against teams in your conference and SEC has for years games that and inflated their RPIs. It’s part of why they’re massively underperform their seeds come tourney time. |
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Post by horns1 on Nov 8, 2024 19:42:56 GMT -5
Not sure I understand that comment. SEC has 15 schools who field volleyball programs. They play each other once in conference play, and play 2 schools twice for a total of 16 conference matches. B1G has 18 schools who all field volleyball programs. They play each other once in conference play, and play 3 schools twice for a total of 20 conference matches. Nobody forced the B1G to expand to 18 members. Why be intentionally dense about the point he was making? It doesn’t matter how many teams are in the conference. It is about the amount of matches you play against teams in your conference and SEC has for years games that and inflated their RPIs. It’s part of why they’re massively underperform their seeds come tourney time.I'm not. I stated facts. The SEC is not obligated to schedule the same number of conference matches like other conferences do. Nobody is forcing those other conferences to schedule like they do. Even if the B1G only played each opponent once, that would still be 17 matches. The SEC didn't underperform last season; that BS narrative needs to stop. Copying/pasting what I posed a week ago or so: Here the results of the SEC teams in the 2023 NCAA tourney: - Texas A&M lost at Texas in first round - Auburn lost in first round - Georgia lost in first round - Missouri lost in second round - Florida lost in second round - Tennessee lost in regional semi-final - Kentucky lost in regional semi-final (to Arkansas) - Arkansas lost in regional final It's not like anyone expected A&M (one of the last four in) to win at Texas. Auburn was a 7-seed and was upset in the first round. Georgia was swept at #5 seed Arizona State. So, seems like one SEC team favored to win its first round match failed to do so. Florida was a marginal sub-regional host and upset in 5 sets by Georgia Tech in round 2. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 8, 2024 20:59:58 GMT -5
Not sure I understand that comment. SEC has 15 schools who field volleyball programs. They play each other once in conference play, and play 2 schools twice for a total of 16 conference matches. B1G has 18 schools who all field volleyball programs. They play each other once in conference play, and play 3 schools twice for a total of 20 conference matches. Nobody forced the B1G to expand to 18 members. Why be intentionally dense about the point he was making? It doesn’t matter how many teams are in the conference. It is about the amount of matches you play against teams in your conference and SEC has for years games that and inflated their RPIs. It’s part of why they’re massively underperform their seeds come tourney time. Thank you. |
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Post by horns1 on Nov 8, 2024 21:26:21 GMT -5
So tired of the constant whining about the SEC schools by pretty much the same posters over and over again. Complain about the choices ur own conference is making when it comes to how they have chosen to schedule. It’s not like the NCAA is imposing mandatory scheduling formats. These are choices by each conference that are well within the rules. If u can’t beat ‘em, then join ‘em or quit the bitchfest.
No doubt there will be more whining next season about the new SEC conference tournament.
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Post by n00b on Nov 8, 2024 21:28:11 GMT -5
Not sure I understand that comment. SEC has 15 schools who field volleyball programs. They play each other once in conference play, and play 2 schools twice for a total of 16 conference matches. B1G has 18 schools who all field volleyball programs. They play each other once in conference play, and play 3 schools twice for a total of 20 conference matches. Nobody forced the B1G to expand to 18 members. Why be intentionally dense about the point he was making? It doesn’t matter how many teams are in the conference. It is about the amount of matches you play against teams in your conference and SEC has for years games that and inflated their RPIs. It’s part of why they’re massively underperform their seeds come tourney time. There are 31 conferences in D1 volleyball. The Big Ten is the EXCEPTION and the only conference that plays 20 matches (I think?) The argument that because the Big Ten does it, everybody should is a weird argument. Maybe the Big Ten shouldn’t be doing something that nobody else does if it hurts their RPI. |
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 8, 2024 21:30:22 GMT -5
No, it was Maryland and North Texas. I had both of those in - I had LSU and High Point out. LSU had one Top 50 win, ironically.... it was against High Point. High Point had zero top 50 wins. Which team was Cal left off for recently? I remember you being kinda pissed/shocked they did not make it I believe it was Illinois, who did force Utah into five sets in the first round. |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 8, 2024 21:38:25 GMT -5
Really tough loss for Wichita State to Rice in 5. Second meeting this season - Shockers lost the first meeting in 5 sets as well. Good for Wichita - the conference tournament is played AT Wichita State.
Keep a close eye on the AAC - South Florida, Wichita State, and Rice can all make the tournament.
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Post by dragon2owl on Nov 8, 2024 21:41:26 GMT -5
Really tough loss for Wichita State to Rice in 5. Second meeting this season - Shockers lost the first meeting in 5 sets as well. Good for Wichita - the conference tournament is played AT Wichita State. Keep a close eye on the AAC - South Florida, Wichita State, and Rice can all make the tournament. And Rice is down two starters right now. Not sure if either Tchouangwa or Mansfield will be back in time for the conference tournament. |
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 8, 2024 21:42:00 GMT -5
Honestly, this is the first one that doesn't have a rematch of some sort for Creighton in the 3rd round, so I like it. Should Creighton vs Texas come to fruition, many diehard Husker fans hate both Texas and Creighton, so the brain aneurysms/meltdowns it will give Husker fans has some entertainment value for me. I think they'd support their instate foe over Texas any day Yeah, Texas has to be close to DFL for teams Nebraska fans would ever root for. |
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Nov 8, 2024 21:45:24 GMT -5
Why be intentionally dense about the point he was making? It doesn’t matter how many teams are in the conference. It is about the amount of matches you play against teams in your conference and SEC has for years games that and inflated their RPIs. It’s part of why they’re massively underperform their seeds come tourney time. There are 31 conferences in D1 volleyball. The Big Ten is the EXCEPTION and the only conference that plays 20 matches (I think?) The argument that because the Big Ten does it, everybody should is a weird argument. Maybe the Big Ten shouldn’t be doing something that nobody else does if it hurts their RPI. Why are you bring all the conferences in when only the Power 5 (now 4) matter in the context of multiple at-large bids/seeds? PAC 12, BIG, ACC. 20 games. Most successful conferences. |
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 8, 2024 21:50:11 GMT -5
There are 31 conferences in D1 volleyball. The Big Ten is the EXCEPTION and the only conference that plays 20 matches (I think?) The argument that because the Big Ten does it, everybody should is a weird argument. Maybe the Big Ten shouldn’t be doing something that nobody else does if it hurts their RPI. Why are you bring all the conferences in when only the Power 5 (now 4) matter in the context of multiple at-large bids/seeds? PAC 12, BIG, ACC. 20 games. Most successful conferences. The Pac-12 is dead, notwithstanding whatever the Pac-7 is trying to do, so they're not relevant. And noob is right. No one is forcing the Big 10 to play 20 matches. If this is hurting their RPI, then that's on them. They should adapt if they don't want their RPI to suffer. And you citing the ACC actually undermines your point. The ACC has managed to figure out how to play 20 conference matches without damaging its RPI, at least better than the Big Ten has. |
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Post by n00b on Nov 8, 2024 21:52:06 GMT -5
I actually didn’t know the ACC was at 20 games this year. Pretty sure they were only at 18 in the past before expanding.
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Nov 8, 2024 22:14:29 GMT -5
I actually didn’t know the ACC was at 20 games this year. Pretty sure they were only at 18 in the past before expanding. Yes, and they changed their schedule to have the top teams play more often, as all conferences should do. You can schedule in a way that ups RPI and doesn't dilute the number of conference games or skill. Fans want to watch volleyball. Whatever is happening in the Big 12 and SEC just doesn't translate to tournament results. |
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Nov 8, 2024 22:16:20 GMT -5
Why are you bring all the conferences in when only the Power 5 (now 4) matter in the context of multiple at-large bids/seeds? PAC 12, BIG, ACC. 20 games. Most successful conferences. The Pac-12 is dead, notwithstanding whatever the Pac-7 is trying to do, so they're not relevant. And noob is right. No one is forcing the Big 10 to play 20 matches. If this is hurting their RPI, then that's on them. They should adapt if they don't want their RPI to suffer. And you citing the ACC actually undermines your point. The ACC has managed to figure out how to play 20 conference matches without damaging its RPI, at least better than the Big Ten has. How does that diminish my point? The point is that the SEC games the RPI without playing good teams and then historically suffers when they get upset by better teams with worse RPIs. This has been happening for years now and will continue to happen if Texas and Kentucky barely play teams with a pulse for half the season. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 8, 2024 22:18:26 GMT -5
Why be intentionally dense about the point he was making? It doesn’t matter how many teams are in the conference. It is about the amount of matches you play against teams in your conference and SEC has for years games that and inflated their RPIs. It’s part of why they’re massively underperform their seeds come tourney time. There are 31 conferences in D1 volleyball. The Big Ten is the EXCEPTION and the only conference that plays 20 matches (I think?) The argument that because the Big Ten does it, everybody should is a weird argument. Maybe the Big Ten shouldn’t be doing something that nobody else does if it hurts their RPI. The SEC used to play 20 . . . . The NCAA could just move away from its hyper-focus on a flawed metric that is being gamed that disincentivizes conferences setting up schedules that are good for the sport. Why are you celebrating a system that literally incentivizes conference teams not playing. SEC used to play 20, then went down to 18, now they're at 16. You've got mid-major conferences shrinking their schedules and pulling all sorts of shenanigans to game the scheduling aspect of RPI. The NCAA cares enough about basketball to make gaming the RPI irrelevant. The issue is that the selection committee (which is who we are bitching about in the Bracketology thread) does not care enough about women's volleyball to identify and mitigate the effects of gaming the RPI. |
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