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Post by volley4ever on Nov 20, 2024 6:46:58 GMT -5
I just have a hard time with Creighton above Pitt, Nebraska, Louisville, and Penn State.
Yes, they are very good. They also played both Nebraska and Louisville and lost. They also have the easiest conference schedule of all the teams mentioned above. What would their record be if they had the Big10 or ACC schedule this season?
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Post by jwvolley on Nov 20, 2024 8:23:34 GMT -5
I just have a hard time with Creighton above Pitt, Nebraska, Louisville, and Penn State. Yes, they are very good. They also played both Nebraska and Louisville and lost. They also have the easiest conference schedule of all the teams mentioned above. What would their record be if they had the Big10 or ACC schedule this season? What are you talking about? |
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Post by GBR on Nov 20, 2024 8:38:04 GMT -5
I just have a hard time with Creighton above Pitt, Nebraska, Louisville, and Penn State. Yes, they are very good. They also played both Nebraska and Louisville and lost. They also have the easiest conference schedule of all the teams mentioned above. What would their record be if they had the Big10 or ACC schedule this season? What are you talking about? Creighton is in the conversation but likely need chaos to rein in either the ACC or the B1G. They have to jump the 2nd place team from one of those conferences. Likely they will end up in the 5th or 6th slot depending on what happens in the next 10 days. They did beat Purdue on a neutral court and ku when KU was playing well. |
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Post by GBR on Nov 20, 2024 8:59:55 GMT -5
For Creighton to get into the conversation they need to jump #2 in the B1G. Only path I see is Purdue over PSU, Neb wins out. PSU #2 in the B1G with 4 losses VS Creighton's 2 losses would be a good conversation. Wisc with 6 losses at that point likely is out of the conversation.
ACC, really comes down to Stanford needing to lose at NCaro or at G-Tech but win VS Louisville along with a Louisville loss to Pitt. Gives both Louisville and Stanford 5 losses and would be a good conversation in comparison to Creighton. Stanford wins VS Wisc and Texas along with the Louisville head to head win VS Creighton just makes that a conversation.
I think if either or both happen, then Creighton has a 50% chance to get that 4 seed (or even the 3 seed if both occur). If neither happens then maybe a 10% chance. Hard to read the committee, you just don't know what they are thinking sometimes. If they do get one of the regionals, I think the San Diego's win at Stanford after that big debate over the 4/5 seed a few years ago likely has something to do with it.
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Post by boxcariii on Nov 20, 2024 9:11:44 GMT -5
For Creighton to get into the conversation they need to jump #2 in the B1G. Only path I see is Purdue over PSU, Neb wins out. PSU #2 in the B1G with 4 losses VS Creighton's 2 losses would be a good conversation. Wisc with 6 losses at that point likely is out of the conversation. ACC, really comes down to Stanford needing to lose at NCaro or at G-Tech but win VS Louisville along with a Louisville loss to Pitt. Gives both Louisville and Stanford 5 losses and would be a good conversation in comparison to Creighton. Stanford wins VS Wisc and Texas along with the Louisville head to head win VS Creighton just makes that a conversation. I think if either or both happen, then Creighton has a 50% chance to get that 4 seed (or even the 3 seed if both occur). If neither happens then maybe a 10% chance. Hard to read the committee, you just don't know what they are thinking sometimes. If they do get one of the regionals, I think the San Diego's win at Stanford after that big debate over the 4/5 seed a few years ago likely has something to do with it. As a Creighton fan, the chaos I'm cheering for is Stanford and Penn State to lose. I think that's the "easiest" path for Creighton to really be considered. Louisville losing two more down the stretch could actually hurt Creighton, I think. As of today, I think Penn State would definitely host over Creighton and Stanford is likely a toss-up still, but I would still give the nod to the Cardinal. |
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Post by tablealgebra on Nov 20, 2024 10:28:40 GMT -5
I just have a hard time with Creighton above Pitt, Nebraska, Louisville, and Penn State. Yes, they are very good. They also played both Nebraska and Louisville and lost. They also have the easiest conference schedule of all the teams mentioned above. What would their record be if they had the Big10 or ACC schedule this season? trojansc said that this Bracketology had a couple changes of things he could see happening, so I think you have to take some of the choices at the margins with a grain of salt. I doubt he thinks Creighton is getting a top seed but thinks it *could* happen if Wisconsin, Stanford and Penn State all lose in the upcoming weeks. Creighton's RPI is 4. I think the committee looks at them and says "not enough positive results against top 16 teams" (Purdue is 21) and drops them to a 2 seed (5-6 overall), but it's not like San Diego who just hemorrhaged RPI during their conference season two years ago. And at no point in conference did they look like a team that wouldn't be successful in a tougher conference. Give them Penn State's schedule and I think they go 18-2 ... but maybe they go 19-1 which would absolutely be top-seed worthy. |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 20, 2024 11:41:26 GMT -5
One thing that’s impressive to me (just that it happened, not that its giving them an edge or anything):
Penn State and Creighton are an identical 25-2 but Creighton has the better RPI, despite playing in the Big East.
I think Creighton’s at 1 or 2 in non-conf S.O.S.
Drake could sneak into T50 and only 1 Creighton non-conf opponent would be outside the T50.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Nov 20, 2024 11:43:22 GMT -5
Drake could sneak into T50 and only 1 Creighton non-conf opponent would be outside the T50. and it'd be freaking kstate lol |
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Post by horns1 on Nov 20, 2024 11:57:33 GMT -5
Has the committee previously stated that's what they do? Can't imagine they start from scratch and discard all the time and effort they put into their first set of rankings. Even if they did, they can't magically forget (even if they wanted to) how they ranked those teams in October; it's still a starting point going forward, IMO. The only real take from the committee's early reveal is what this year's committee members value most and what they don't like. So, what were your "real" takes? |
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Post by horns1 on Nov 20, 2024 11:58:58 GMT -5
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Post by trojansc on Nov 20, 2024 12:03:56 GMT -5
That schedule is slightly different than what I previously saw listed, but seeing the networks, I’m going to guess that’d accurate. I’m not too disappointed, i like that they’re spread out and the games don’t really overlap. |
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 20, 2024 12:20:38 GMT -5
That schedule is slightly different than what I previously saw listed, but seeing the networks, I’m going to guess that’d accurate. I’m not too disappointed, i like that they’re spread out and the games don’t really overlap. Yeah, this isn't that dissimilar to the way men's basketball works. The Sweet 16 in men's basketball is usually in the evenings, so there is some overlap, but they have multiple TV partners covering the tournament, so that makes sense. With ESPN covering everything for volleyball, spreading it out makes sense. |
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Post by knapplc on Nov 20, 2024 12:45:54 GMT -5
This should be their official name. Forever. |
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Post by Millenium on Nov 20, 2024 12:53:24 GMT -5
The only real take from the committee's early reveal is what this year's committee members value most and what they don't like. So, what were your "real" takes? I don't know why you felt it necessary to add scare quotes to your question, it's been discussed ad nauseam in the bracketology and committee reveal threads. |
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Nov 20, 2024 13:28:58 GMT -5
I just have a hard time with Creighton above Pitt, Nebraska, Louisville, and Penn State. Yes, they are very good. They also played both Nebraska and Louisville and lost. They also have the easiest conference schedule of all the teams mentioned above. What would their record be if they had the Big10 or ACC schedule this season? They scored more points than Louisville. 22-5 in the ACC? 23-4 maybe 22-5 in the B1G? |
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