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Post by Keystonekid on Dec 8, 2005 13:15:48 GMT -5
I believe only 2 programs are self -funded, Nebraska and Hawaii.
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Post by gobears on Dec 8, 2005 13:41:40 GMT -5
I heard that a D1 wvb program ranked in the 50's with 12 scholies had a budget of around $900,000. a couple years ago. Probably other intangibles or not... That make any sense? Hawaii and Nebr likely the only wvball programs bringing that in each year?Any others? Any other ball park info out there for thinking about?
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Post by beachman on Dec 8, 2005 13:43:30 GMT -5
Considering volleyball is a non-revenue sport for the universities and in most cases these title IX sports cost the schools money, coach’s salaries are commensurate with the revenue and in some cases these coach’s are over paid. I wonder what the bottom line cost is running a program, total value of all the scholarships, all coach’s salaries, travel expenses, maintaining venues, recruiting expenses and all the other tangible and intangible expenses? Speaking of Volleyball spending here is some interesting information that I took off of the internet re: Some of the top volleyball programs in the country. These are numbers for 2004. These numbers DO NOT INCLUDE THE COST OF COACHES OR SCHOLARSHIPS. Enjoy, very interesting reading: U$C $328, 111 UW $260,473 WSU $179,558 Cal $176,678 UCLA $160,654 Stanford $159,860 ASU $153,745 Arizona $118,831 UCSB $98,117 LBSU $96,660 UOP $81,288 CPSLO $72,715 Idaho $124,154 Utah St. $80,850 San Jose St. $103,339 San Diego St. $91,974 Boise St. $126,469 Fresno St. $160,581 Once again these numbers do not include the salaries of the coaches or the costs of the scholarships provided for the players! Interesting isn't it?
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 8, 2005 13:47:48 GMT -5
Where's Hawaii?
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Post by beachman on Dec 8, 2005 13:51:57 GMT -5
I didn't pull them up off the list but I could
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Post by OverAndUnder on Dec 8, 2005 14:09:11 GMT -5
Considering volleyball is a non-revenue sport for the universities and in most cases these title IX sports cost the schools money, coach’s salaries are commensurate with the revenue and in some cases these coach’s are over paid. I wonder what the bottom line cost is running a program, total value of all the scholarships, all coach’s salaries, travel expenses, maintaining venues, recruiting expenses and all the other tangible and intangible expenses? The bottom line cost is far far less than the bottom line cost of hiring effective legal counsel and administrative staff to fight Title IX sanctions. Basically, under Title IX volleyball programs are "loss-leaders" to allow the schools to make the real revenue off their football program, much like HP sells you a high powered printer for 120 bucks so they can get $2700 out of you in cartridge costs over the next three years.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Dec 8, 2005 14:13:07 GMT -5
Hawai'i is a chain of islands in the middle of the Pacific Ocean about 2,400 miles southwest of the continental United States, at roughly 157° 15.6' West Longitude and 20° 57.1' North Latitude.
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Post by norwis on Dec 8, 2005 14:16:19 GMT -5
I find some of the numbers unbelievable. LBSU only spends $96K per year outside of coaches salaries and scholarships? So that $96K number includes all travel expenses, al uniforms & equipment and all recruiting expenses? That seems very low to me.
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Post by GatorVball on Dec 8, 2005 14:24:49 GMT -5
I know Mary makes 6 figures, but not sure the exact amount. This was as of a few years ago when she got a raise. I do know she's not the highest paid women's coach on campus, though she is far and away the most successful.
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Post by Gorf on Dec 8, 2005 14:27:37 GMT -5
Based on the lastest data released by the NCAA (from 2003) an ironic thing is that less than half of the men's football, basketball, and men's programs in general make a profit and the numbers have been trending downward over the past several years. So those schools that aren't making a profit off of those "big time sports" aren't actually funding women's volleyball and other "non-revenue" sports via their football and basketball programs. | | | | | | | NCAA Men's Athletic Programs | | | # Showing Profit | % Showing Profit | # Not Showing Profit | % Not Showing Profit | Total Responding | D-1A | 77 | 65.81196581 | 40 | 34.18803419 | 117 | D-1AA | 34 | 27.86885246 | 88 | 72.13114754 | 122 | D-1AAA | 24 | 27.27272727 | 64 | 72.72727273 | 88 | D-1 Total | 135 | 41.28440367 | 192 | 58.71559633 | 327 | | | NCAA Men's Football Programs | | | # Showing Profit | % Showing Profit | # Not Showing Profit | % Not Showing Profit | Total Responding | D-1A | 79 | 67.52136752 | 38 | 32.47863248 | 117 | D-1AA | 28 | 22.95081967 | 94 | 77.04918033 | 122 | D-1AAA | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | D-1 Total | 107 | 44.76987448 | 132 | 55.23012552 | 239 | | | NCAA Men's Basketball Programs | | | # Showing Profit | % Showing Profit | # Not Showing Profit | % Not Showing Profit | Total Responding | D-1A | 82 | 70.08547009 | 35 | 29.91452991 | 117 | D-1AA | 37 | 30.32786885 | 85 | 69.67213115 | 122 | D-1AAA | 30 | 34.09090909 | 58 | 65.90909091 | 88 | D-1 Total | 149 | 45.56574924 | 178 | 54.43425076 | 327 |
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Post by IdahoBoy on Dec 8, 2005 14:32:09 GMT -5
Beachman, where is the link to that list?
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Post by JustInCase on Dec 8, 2005 14:32:23 GMT -5
You have to remember that is the budget the school gives them, but does not include fundraising or revenue. These numbers are taken from a government website that each school is required to report yearly. For instance, there are a number of schools in smaller conferences operating on $30-45,000/year.
In my particular case, we raise $20-30,000 a year above and beyond our budget, not including apparel and ball contracts. The number reflected on this government site would not reflect that.
So in other words, the numbers above account for the budget alloted by each athletic department, but does not reflect the overall money spent by that program.
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Post by simplycurious on Dec 8, 2005 14:33:23 GMT -5
I find it difficult to believe that 45% of NCAA DI Men's Programs (particularly when they break it down into basketball and football) are making a profit! I don't recall the actual numbers ever being that high!
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Post by Gorf on Dec 8, 2005 14:37:08 GMT -5
You have to remember that is the budget the school gives them, but does not include fundraising or revenue. These numbers are taken from a government website that each school is required to report yearly. For instance, there are a number of schools in smaller conferences operating on $30-45,000/year. In my particular case, we raise $20-30,000 a year above and beyond our budget, not including apparel and ball contracts. The number reflected on this government site would not reflect that. So in other words, the numbers above account for the budget alloted by each athletic department, but does not reflect the overall money spent by that program. The NCAA data is not taken from a government web site if you're referring to the table I posted. It is numbers each school provides to the NCAA and it supposedly does include everything you've mentioned as well as including even such things as funds provide to the athletics department by the school so there are some schools that are marginally profitable which would not be profitable if school provided funding was not included.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Dec 8, 2005 14:39:03 GMT -5
Those numbers assuredly do not include booster contributions, either, do they?
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