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Post by pineapple on Sept 8, 2006 20:11:35 GMT -5
The recruit is free to travel wherever and whenever. Let's say she came here on a vacation and by chance we started talking at McDonald's. To me this is a private situation, not subject to regulations.
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Post by pineapple on Sept 8, 2006 20:26:41 GMT -5
This is not to say the UH compliance officer wouldn't try to stop me. But if he/she did, I would question it.
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Post by Gorf on Sept 8, 2006 22:16:17 GMT -5
The recruit is free to travel wherever and whenever. Let's say she came here on a vacation and by chance we started talking at McDonald's. To me this is a private situation, not subject to regulations. As I said before you're making a big case out of a particular situation that isn't overly likely to happen. If you know she's a recruit, or potential recruit, then you know better than to talk to her about reasons that UH would be a great school for her. If you don't know she's a recruit then she mentions that she's a recruit you still know better than to talk to her about such things. If you don't know she's a recruit, she doesn't mention she's a recruit, but mentions that she's interested in attending UH you're likely to ask her what she plans to study at which point she's fairly likely to mention that she's a recruit and you're knowing better than to talk to her about such things. You potentially become one of the school's contacts with the recruit meaning Dave and his staff have one less contact available to them (without knowing it) which means you could be causing UH to break contact rule(s) as well. Those all may well be silly or stupid rules, however, you have sports like football and basketball to thank for that not the UH NCAA compliance officers for trying to enforce rules foist upon them because of the "big time" sports.
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Post by pineapple on Sept 8, 2006 22:47:12 GMT -5
Come off it, Gorf! Can't you stop already? Demon, get behind me!
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Post by JT on Sept 8, 2006 22:47:39 GMT -5
According to the NCAA regulations, if you have been involved in a school’s athletic program in any way, or promoted the program, you are booster. Unless this criteria is delineated and made more definitive, you become a booster simply by attending the school’s games and cheering them on. Here's the NCAA regulation (I posted it earlier, too) concerning RAIs Being "involved in a school’s athletic program in any way, or promoted the program" is not in there. The closest is section (e), but that's involved in promoting. "Attending" is not "promoting." Also, note that at the very top of the regulation, the school needs to know (or be in the position that they should know if they hadn't been willfully ignorant) who you are, and that you are involved in promoting the program in one of the enumerated ways (or the final catch-all for promoting). So even if you have tickets in order to promote the program -- encouraging other people to attend with you, extolling the virtues of the sport, the coach, the athletic program, and/or the school to anyone you run across, you aren't yet an RAI -- the school has no reason to know that you're promoting the program or school. Take out a full page ad in the daily paper, and the school is now in a position that they know, or ought to know, that you're promoting the program. Now you're an RAI.
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Post by pineapple on Sept 8, 2006 22:50:19 GMT -5
rooting for your team, as on this board, can be defined as promoting.
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Post by pineapple on Sept 8, 2006 22:51:15 GMT -5
The problem here is language of the regulations can be interpreted many ways.
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Post by pineapple on Sept 8, 2006 22:54:42 GMT -5
I read at least 9 schools' recruitment policies, most of which repeat verbatim the nonvague aspects of the regulations. As for the "promoting," they all word it differently. This is because the regulation is too broad. Needs to be more defined.
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Post by pineapple on Sept 8, 2006 22:55:53 GMT -5
The fact that we here have differences of opinion points to this need, doesn't it?
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Post by JT on Sept 8, 2006 22:57:51 GMT -5
rooting for your team, as on this board, can be defined as promoting. Yes, it could. But even then, the school would have to know that you're doing it. So for me, since I'm using a posting name that is known by the entire VB staff, plus the Sr Associate Athletic Director, plus the Athletic Director, plus (probably) the UofMN NCAA compliance officer.... I'm screwed if I knowingly talk to a recruit. Of course, I'm an RAI for other reasons already, so it's moot in my case. Does (or should) the University of Hawaii know who you are, and whether you are promoting their program?
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Post by pineapple on Sept 8, 2006 23:19:05 GMT -5
No. They don't. I am just another fan.
In my long career with the State of Hawaii, I was in charge of developing policies and procedures manual for a Statewide program (I won't say which) pursuant to federal and State laws and their rules and regulations. What I've brought up in my discussion is the kind of issues the public brings up all the time.
Incidentally, my views on the regs were different from what they are now, thanks to BearClause, after a long discussion as we are having here on another thread, for turning on the light bulb for me.
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Post by pineapple on Sept 8, 2006 23:23:26 GMT -5
Now lets lay this topic to rest. UH going to play NW soon. Thanks, JT, for your wisdom, whatever it was. ;D
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