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Post by bigtenfred on Sept 9, 2006 13:00:25 GMT -5
Hodge should not be in the back row. I watched it on TV and agree on maybe 3 ballhandling errors there was also a serve that was in they called out. PSU came together the last 3 games and rattled a confident Texas team. They panned in on the team game 4 they thought they had it in the bag.
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Post by brybry on Sept 9, 2006 13:30:12 GMT -5
I was at the match last night, another 3 + hour marathon. Texas had major challenges with their middles and setting last night. Jen Todd was OK but Armstrong really struggled. Moriarity was slightly off all night and I can't figure out why Acevado from the back row was so attractive to the setter. Texas played well the first 2 games and had all the Mo. Not sure what you saw on TV but Hodge butchered every single serve receive she took overhand. The ref had absolutely no clue all match long on both sides but she could have/should have been called for at least 10-15 ballhandling errors, you could hear the double hits in the stands!!! Absolute dog sh-- reffing. The down ref missed both teams in the net as well as several other simple calls. I saw her tell Elliot twice that she missed the call and PSU got a yellow card. Man, I said that I gave a slight edge to PSU because of their experience on the front line but I also didn't know they would get that much help from the refs. Yeah, I used the word "butchery" to describe Hodge's passing as well. But I'm not certain she should have been called for illegal contact. You can pretty much mangle the first touch on the ball as long as it doesn't come to rest (like a lift). My issue was w/ where she was passing the ball w/ those awful hands - at Glass's chest. I still say keep her in for backrow hitting duties but assign her the right back which tends to get less action.
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Post by 2c on Sept 9, 2006 13:44:35 GMT -5
Not sure what you saw on TV but Hodge butchered every single serve receive she took overhand. The ref had absolutely no clue all match long on both sides but she could have/should have been called for at least 10-15 ballhandling errors, you could hear the double hits in the stands!!! Absolute dog sh-- reffing. You realize that Doubles on the first ball (including serve receive) is NOT illegal, right? Joan Powell may not call a match at the level that many wish (tighter BHE calls) but she's usually pretty consistant at maintaining that level she sets for an acceptable/illegal contact for the entire match. Players, coaches, fans may not like that she doesn't call certain balls, but at least the players can get a feel of what they can get away with and what they can't with her. It's those refs that call some tight then let other mangled balls go that drive me nuts. These are usually the same refs that wait to see if there is any spin on the ball to determine if it was a double or not. Spin doesn't mean a double contact, no spin doesn't mean clean (no double) contact.
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Post by VolleyTX on Sept 9, 2006 13:56:14 GMT -5
Exactly. I could hear all the moaning and groaning from the entire gym. People just aren't yet comfortable with the double contact on the first contact. As long as she doesn't carry the ball.... it's legal.
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Post by Gorf on Sept 9, 2006 14:10:12 GMT -5
People aren't used to that rule change that's been in effect for what, a decade or more?
lol..
I find it more likely that most fans are rather clueless about the rules.
I still get asked "odd" questions at matches like:
- Why are they playing game to 30 points?
- Why are they getting points when the other team serves?
- Why is there a player on each team with a different jersey than everyone else on their teams?
- Who's that guy with the clipboard in the end line section, why is he writing so much during the games, and why does he keep trying to catch volleyballs with his giant cup of popcorn?
It ain't your backyard volleyball now...
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Post by BOTE on Sept 9, 2006 14:23:49 GMT -5
This whole discussion is getting comical. Kudos to Penn State for winning a tough match against a very good Texas team AT Texas. No small feat! Some think the officials favored PSU and other think they favored Texas. Players should reshirt and leave PSU because they are not getting enough playing time three weeks into the season. Next year PSU should play a certain player in a certain position or half the team should leave and play elsewhere. What is Russ to do recruit bad players so only certain players can play and not have a bench. Last year Harmotto went down with a ACl at the end of the season and the injury cost them big time in the NCAA's because the bench was not strong enough to pick up the slack. This year PSU is loaded and what appears to be the second team at the moment could very well challenge PSU's first team for the conference title. Glass has some shakey ball handling and she gets knocked. Salyer as a senior should be replaced at right side by whoever even though she has been starting and playing this position for the last couple of years. Starting jobs are won and lost in practice so give Rose some credit. Again its a long season, yes there are some holes and there will be ample time for others on this team to challenge for a spot. PSU is trying to replace a terrific Libero in Walters and a 3 time AA setter in Tortorello, give these younger players some time. In the meantime enjoy the blocking and offensive show this young team put on. Its back to the practice gym for the Lions and there is plenty to work on. Weaknesses will not be solved by suggesting players leave. If the goal is to win the Big Ten for the 4th straight time and win a national championship the competition for playing time is fierce and only 6 can be on the floor. Penn State needs a little more love and frankly its nice to see a East Coast Team EXCEL.
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Post by bigtenfred on Sept 9, 2006 15:28:50 GMT -5
Well said it is great to see a East coast team excell. Sayler is one of the team captains so she will always be in the game. There are players who could challenge her in that position that's for sure!
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Post by OverAndUnder on Sept 9, 2006 16:10:11 GMT -5
10-11 [Jennings, Alyson] Attack error by Hodge, Megan. 10-12 [Jennings, Alyson] Service error. 10-13 [Hodge, Megan] Attack error by Acevedo, Dariam (block by Glass, Alisha; Harmotto, Christa). [There's a missing point here. As you can see, Hodge would serve again here.] [Then UT sides out to 11-14] 12-14 [Moriarty, Michelle] Service ace (Holehouse, Roberta). 13-14 [Moriarty, Michelle] Attack error by Fawcett, Nicole. Timeout Penn State. 13-15 [Moriarty, Michelle] Service error. These two points are wrong. Corrected here: 11-14 [Hodge, Megan] Kill by Acevedo, Dariam (from Moriarty, Michelle). 10-14 [Hodge, Megan] Kill by Glass, Alisha. Thanks Ruffgang.
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Post by Keystonekid on Sept 9, 2006 16:12:28 GMT -5
Emily Gerega was a captain and hardly saw the floor. Salyer will start as long as she is productive. This is major D! volleyball, you aren't going to be out there because your a captain. Being picked a captain has little to do with your play, rather your leadership. Why is Harmotto a captain and not Fawcett?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2006 16:34:08 GMT -5
Not doubles, but definitely lifts. If she had made the same plays on the 2nd or 3rd balls, they would be called lifts. You can't have a different standard for the first ball. Not for lifts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2006 16:36:22 GMT -5
Btw, Hodge also was passing VERY WELL at the end of the match. Both platform and overhand. Kudos to her and Russ for giving her the shot. This is going to pay off in a big way as her career progresses.
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Post by brybry1 on Sept 10, 2006 23:13:37 GMT -5
Btw, Hodge also was passing VERY WELL at the end of the match. Both platform and overhand. Kudos to her and Russ for giving her the shot. This is going to pay off in a big way as her career progresses. Yeah, maybe on like the last two passes. I do hope she continues to work on her serve receive but I think Kate Price would be the best solution to PSU's passing woes.
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Post by Gelatinous Mass on Sept 11, 2006 11:16:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the education on first ball handling ....please, I do understand the rule that is making the womens' game more like the men's in terms of quality of play, worse. But as I said in the thread the lifts were there on Hodge and were not called but you could literally hear the double contacts on the first ball, and I think that is still a rule? And I also watched it on TV after I got home and they showed maybe 4 or 5 of the multitude of poor passes that came off her hands. She did improve later or we just got used to seeing how bad it was and stopped moaning about it, which I will also do after this post. Someone said that Hodge kept passing the ball at Glass's chest....yep she was and she was also setting those balls overhead...how do you do that and not get a lift? All in all PSU made great adjustements to Texas, Texas's block went away, especially in the middle, and Hodge was banging over Moriarity's block all night long, not sure why Elliott didn't bring in Andrews to block a few times...great offensive skills BTW, she was very impressive, but if I am a PSU fan I don't want her as a primary passer....all in all there may be a freshman of the year in their somewhere... Hodge and Hooker on the offensive side and Engle's all around game, Glass did really, really well and made great adjustments as the game went on...not sure Yanz will see much time after that....one more comment, did you see Jennings picking up those BOMBS? ??
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Post by gollum on Sept 11, 2006 11:25:42 GMT -5
wayfat you say you understand the rule but then go on to show that you don't.
a double is a double is a double and is legal on the first ball, whether you can see it or HEAR it. a double is not a lift.
Regarding Glass I can set from my knees and not lift the ball as long as my hands are underneath it, what difference does it make if the pass was at her chest?
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Post by OverAndUnder on Sept 11, 2006 11:41:06 GMT -5
Wrist power alone is insufficient to achieve decent set location for 99.44% of setters. The entire body works together to cushion the incoming ball and slingshot it back out at the desired speed/trajectory. If you're setting from your chest, the only way to get the desired speed/trajectory is to straighten the elbows through a much longer range of motion than with an overhead set. Even if you are very fast, the interval of this unfolding motion is nearly always well within the definition of a lift.
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