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Post by bomber on Oct 16, 2006 15:20:38 GMT -5
Has anyone taken a look at who Utah plays, or has played? I just did, their schedule is relatively weak.
It defies logic that they can be ranked up there so high, when they've beaten absolutely no one of any consequence.
Their ranking, and that of Cal's, seem way out of proportion to the quality of their teams.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2006 15:23:32 GMT -5
But they're not losing. They started at #24 and have moved up by not losing (while others do). That's the way this poll works.
Pablo likes 'em, too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2006 15:24:20 GMT -5
Same goes for Cal. They are only losing to top 5 teams. So, on the whole, they keep moving up.
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Post by Ye Olde Dawg on Oct 16, 2006 15:25:50 GMT -5
Except that this week Cal moved down....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2006 15:29:21 GMT -5
Yes. Losing twice will have consequences, even if they are minimal in Cal's case (48 pts). That allows Florida -- big win over LSU -- to slide up a spot.
But Cal's not going to get hammered unless they lose to an unranked team. Oregon? WSU? Could happen. If not, they're going to stay around the top 10.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 16, 2006 15:46:07 GMT -5
So what does Cal have that Oregon doesn't to make them ranked in the top ten, while Oregon is unranked? Is it really that much? Is the combination Pepperdine/Colorado St/dropping like a rock Baylor really that much better than LBSU?
Pablo is far more reasonable here. Cal/Oregon are 17/18 this week. Cal favored at home, but it's close.
If Oregon were to pull that off, they deserve a lot of consideration, regardless of what happens against Stanford.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 16, 2006 15:54:30 GMT -5
So what does Cal have that Oregon doesn't to make them ranked in the top ten, while Oregon is unranked? Is it really that much? Is the combination Pepperdine/Colorado St/dropping like a rock Baylor really that much better than LBSU? Cal started off ranked #17? Aren't you the one who says that any true merits outside of previous spots don't explain AVCA rankings?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2006 15:55:41 GMT -5
Bing bing bing! Starting @ #17 is the correct answer!
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 16, 2006 16:09:34 GMT -5
Yep.
Just another case in point, BearClause
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Post by Gorf on Oct 16, 2006 16:11:32 GMT -5
Cal has the advantage of having started ranked 17th with 500+ points in the pre-season poll while Oregon was unranked and not even listed in the "others receiving votes" category.
In the 1st regular season poll Cal moved to 13th with 732 points while Oregaon was still receiving no votes.
In the 2nd regular season poll Cal moved to 10th with 870 points while Oregaon was still receiving no votes.
In the 3rd regular season poll Cal moved to 8th with 1034 points while Oregaon was still receiving no votes.
In the 4th regular season poll Cal moved to 7th with 1086 points while Oregaon was still receiving no votes.
In the 5th regular season poll Cal increased to 1142 points while Oregaon was still receiving no votes.
In the 6th regular season poll Cal dropped to 1093 points while Oregaon finally received 4 points.
This week Cal dropped to 1045 points while Oregon increased to 14 points.
Unless Cal ends up with some disastrous losses and Oregon makes some huge upsets it doesn't seem likely they the two will converge very closely on their rankings in the AVCA poll.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2006 16:15:04 GMT -5
Cal @ Oregon (and vice versa) will be interesting. Starting THU night with the vice versa.
But Oregon could win both matches and would still be ranked below Cal.
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Post by Thrill of the 'ville on Oct 16, 2006 16:15:29 GMT -5
Tennessee needs to step it up if they want to stay in the poll.
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Post by ugopher on Oct 16, 2006 16:20:53 GMT -5
But Oregon could win both matches and would still be ranked below Cal. That would be, based upon history, a certainty.
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Post by blastingsand on Oct 16, 2006 16:35:50 GMT -5
But Oregon could win both matches and would still be ranked below Cal. That would be, based upon history, a certainty. That's true and very sad, but the Oregon team did go beyond expectations. They even took a game off of Washington @ washington, which was something Stanford did not do.
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Post by spikerthemovie on Oct 16, 2006 17:00:42 GMT -5
I feel totally justified in an "I told you so" here, both in terms of Minnesota "leapfrogging" over ALL the teams that others on the board said were unleapfroggable and in suggesting that AVCA voters will finally begin to get with the program in terms of where Big Ten teams should be ranked. Not all the way there yet, but a few weeks more and this poll might actually make sense in terms of the Big Ten. And I predicted the exact number of spots MN would move up in the poll. Now, to deal with the Purdue weirdness...
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