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Post by plm on Oct 28, 2006 8:13:57 GMT -5
Taylor with another triple double- I would hope that she is getting attention for conference freshman of the year. Even Nebraska's Holloway isn't putting up numbers like her. Baylor outblocked MU 16.5 to 5!! I remember last year A&M went on a tear after a big win to win like 7 out of their last 9 to make the tournament. I hope for Bearwatch's sake this sparks a similar result for Baylor! Barnes is obviously a candidate for FOY in the Big 12 if any full-time setter were to recive the honor. She's much more prepared in her "court awareness" than Holloway. I think Barnes and Holloway are interchangeable when it comes to FOY (setter) but Holloway is going to get props for obvious reasons. Holloway is more athletic while Barnes makes better offensive decisions without the options that Nebraska has with strong backrow attackers. Honestly, in this situation, I feel bad for Busboom who has really good stats as a libero due to Nebraska's ability yet has been passed up by Holloway and Barnes in her "destined" position. The libero position for Busboom has to be salty considering how better played the position is in the Big 12 for someone like Alyson Jennings or Tatum Ailes. Evidently you don't know that Holloway was the starting setter for the YNT and this year she was the starting setter for the JNT after turning them down 3 times because she wanted to get ready for this college season. But she was the one that they wanted to set for the JNT. To say that Barnes has more court awareness than Holloway is waaay off base! Busboom is a libero now and not a setter so whatever Holloway & Barnes do doesn't effect Busboom.
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Post by bearwatch on Oct 28, 2006 10:59:49 GMT -5
12 Holloway, Rachel Kpg 1.22 Hitt .358 13.41 Serve 0.19 Block .44 Digs 2.7 9 Barnes, Taylor Kpg 1.33 Hitt .286 11.32 Serve 0.53 Block .61 Digs 2.3
I agree Holloway appears more athletic but look who wins in blocks, kills and serve. Both are tremendous setters but I would say Barnes has a slightly better location on her set and is more of a threat offensively/serve. Along with Nu these are 3 tremendous setters.
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Post by bearwatch on Oct 28, 2006 11:10:55 GMT -5
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Post by FreeBall on Oct 28, 2006 11:11:11 GMT -5
12 Holloway, Rachel Kpg 1.22 Hitt .358 13.41 Serve 0.19 Block .44 Digs 2.7 9 Barnes, Taylor Kpg 1.33 Hitt .286 11.32 Serve 0.53 Block .61 Digs 2.3 I agree Holloway appears more athletic but look who wins in blocks, kills and serve. Both are tremendous setters but I would say Barnes has a slightly better location on her set and is more of a threat offensively/serve. Along with Nu these are 3 tremendous setters. Apparently you posted the stat lines for comparative purposes. However, the formatting is bad to the point where making any meaningful comparison is not possible. If you are so inclined, could you post the stats again in a more understandable format?
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Post by clonesvb on Oct 28, 2006 13:28:12 GMT -5
Lets not leave out Iowa State freshman setter Kaylee Manns.
0.51 kpg, .267 hit %, 13.12 apg, 0.11 sa pg, 0.83 bpg, 3.47 dpg.
Clearly the best defender of the group. And lets not forget that Barnes got benched when they played ISU.
Iowa State's hitting percentage is .239 while Baylor hits at a .228 clip. Nebraska leads the league at .301.
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Post by mauricciobal on Oct 28, 2006 14:29:19 GMT -5
she did not got benched... she was just giving a break because of physical conditions.
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Post by oukaes on Oct 28, 2006 14:44:14 GMT -5
speaking of Manns...she seems to playing really really well lately...just an observation
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Post by clonesvb on Oct 28, 2006 15:17:40 GMT -5
mustn't have been too serious of physical conditions if she only got taken out in the game in which they got pounded 30-15. Her removal also came after two hitting errors.
I'm not here to argue about that though, I just think that people are mistaken if they think she is better than Manns, much less Holloway.
Need proof? Stats from their first two career head-to-head meetings:
Meeting 1 Manns - 0k-1e-1att, -1.000 hitting percentage, 38 assists, 10 digs, 6 block assists Barnes - 1k-2e-8att, -.125 hitting percentage, 30 assists, 7 digs, 2 block assists
Meeting 2 Manns - 2k-0e-5att, .400 hitting percentage, 48 assists, 14 digs and 1 block assist Barnes - 4k-2e-10att, .200 hitting percentage, 38 assists, 2 digs, 1 block assist
Don't get me wrong, Barnes is a good player, but i think calling her all-Big 12 is a gross overstatement.
oukaes - She has been playing really well as of late. Much more assertive than early in the year. Her improvement throughout the year can be attributed to the coaching of Johnson.
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Post by cmmhc4 on Oct 28, 2006 15:19:48 GMT -5
Barnes is obviously a candidate for FOY in the Big 12 if any full-time setter were to recive the honor. She's much more prepared in her "court awareness" than Holloway. I think Barnes and Holloway are interchangeable when it comes to FOY (setter) but Holloway is going to get props for obvious reasons. Holloway is more athletic while Barnes makes better offensive decisions without the options that Nebraska has with strong backrow attackers. Honestly, in this situation, I feel bad for Busboom who has really good stats as a libero due to Nebraska's ability yet has been passed up by Holloway and Barnes in her "destined" position. The libero position for Busboom has to be salty considering how better played the position is in the Big 12 for someone like Alyson Jennings or Tatum Ailes. Evidently you don't know that Holloway was the starting setter for the YNT and this year she was the starting setter for the JNT after turning them down 3 times because she wanted to get ready for this college season. But she was the one that they wanted to set for the JNT. To say that Barnes has more court awareness than Holloway is waaay off base! Busboom is a libero now and not a setter so whatever Holloway & Barnes do doesn't effect Busboom. I'm well aware of Holloway's credentials. I've been more impressed with Barnes than Holloway this season, that's all. I don't think it's waaay off base to say Barnes has more court awareness than Holloway. I'm sure there are plenty others who agree.
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Post by cmmhc4 on Oct 28, 2006 15:24:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the link! That black curtain really makes for good photos.
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Post by bearwatch on Oct 28, 2006 15:58:59 GMT -5
Lets not leave out Iowa State freshman setter Kaylee Manns. 0.51 kpg, .267 hit %, 13.12 apg, 0.11 sa pg, 0.83 bpg, 3.47 dpg. Clearly the best defender of the group. And lets not forget that Barnes got benched when they played ISU. Iowa State's hitting percentage is .239 while Baylor hits at a .228 clip. Nebraska leads the league at .301. I agree Manns is a very good setter that I forgot to mention BUT she isn't the best setter of the group. Terrific defender/blocker but doesn't set an offense like Barnes and Holloway. Her skills in that department are behind. I would say Barnes is the most deceptive and feared of the group.
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Post by clonesvb on Oct 28, 2006 16:17:46 GMT -5
While Barnes is definately the better attacker of the group, I respectfully disagree with her setting an offense better. The first job of a setter is always to set an offense, and hitting percentage would appear to be the best gauge of this.
In conference matches the gap between the two offenses is even greater with ISU hitting at a .234 clip and Baylor at .196.
And lets not say that its because of the players around her, because this "same" group of players went just 1-19 in the Big 12 two years ago. Last year in conference play ISU hit just .190. I think Manns has done a pretty darn good job setting an offense.
Maybe I am way off base by saying that hitting percentage is the best indicator, but the setter's responsibility is to get players into situations that they can be successful. And a higher hitting percentage would indicate that she is doing the better job of the two.
Does the ISU passing help? Absolutely does and ISU is a solid passing team.
So in the words of Bledsoe (somewhat), I respect your opinion, but respectfully disagree with your evaluation.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 28, 2006 16:24:35 GMT -5
While Barnes is definately the better attacker of the group, I respectfully disagree with her setting an offense better. The first job of a setter is always to set an offense, and hitting percentage would appear to be the best gauge of this. In conference matches the gap between the two offenses is even greater with ISU hitting at a .234 clip and Baylor at .196. And lets not say that its because of the players around her, because this "same" group of players went just 1-19 in the Big 12 two years ago. Last year in conference play ISU hit just .190. I think Manns has done a pretty darn good job setting an offense. Maybe I am way off base by saying that hitting percentage is the best indicator, but the setter's responsibility is to get players into situations that they can be successful. And a higher hitting percentage would indicate that she is doing the better job of the two. Does the ISU passing help? Absolutely does and ISU is a solid passing team. So in the words of Bledsoe (somewhat), I respect your opinion, but respectfully disagree with your evaluation. I don't know of many people on this board who aren't blatant homers when it comes to discussing players on teams they support. In years of watching discussions about conference/national honors for setters, I've seen all sorts of arguments. This includes the fans of one team discounting the contributions of a particular setter on another team - arguing that it was her hitters who put up the big numbers and the setter just went along for the ride. The next year that team had a new setter and the argument was that she put up the big numbers and improved her hitters. Everyone will mold their arguments when they have a favorite in the race. I'm as guilty as anyone.
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Post by clonesvb on Oct 28, 2006 16:25:26 GMT -5
not to mention, most importantly, ISU is 2-0 (6-0 in games) against Baylor
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Post by clonesvb on Oct 28, 2006 16:26:28 GMT -5
I agree, just laying out my argument for arguments sake ;D
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