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Post by bearwatch on Oct 30, 2006 23:15:40 GMT -5
who pulled your string Clause
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Post by BearClause on Oct 30, 2006 23:30:06 GMT -5
who pulled your string Clause I'm sorry. You seem rather desperate to prove a point. Here's the thing that had been mentioned (but can't be mentioned enough). Iowa State is currently 7-5 in the Big 12, and Baylor is 3-9. If anything is going to be a "tiebreaker" when comparing players for conference honors, it's going to be how well their team as a whole is doing. I'm been following this game long enough to realize that the most deserving players don't always get the awards. I really have no opinion on which of the FOY candidates at Texas, Iowa State, or Baylor is most deserving. However - I have the stinking suspicion that Engle will get it simply because she had the most hype coming in and plays for a top 10 team. I saw the same thing with Kristin Richards when she got Pac-10 FOY in 2003. |
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Post by bearwatch on Oct 31, 2006 8:51:45 GMT -5
You are probably right. Around 8 matches to go so we will see.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Oct 31, 2006 11:30:13 GMT -5
Taylor Barnes is an extremely good setter with great potential. If she were quarterbacking a better team then she would have a strong CFOY case, but awards rarely go to setters whose hitters can't find the court enough to win games. The good news for you guys is the other Texas schools are scholarship tight while you have four seniors. With such a great setter on your team this may be the year you get to pick up one or two strong attackers who can't find room at TAMU or UT.
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Post by FatsDom69 on Oct 31, 2006 12:35:30 GMT -5
Any comment P-Dub to my question? I think an important stat would be opponents blocks per game. Iowa State has 2.51 to BU 1.9 This stat would somewhat show that a setter is putting the ball in the right place more consistently. Is there anyway to check Bearwatch's registration or IP address? I am thoroughly convinced this is gwbush posting here in his spare time. Same underlying philosophy - 'Dont confuse me with facts' and 'I can makeup information to fit my point of view and others should believe it just because I said so'. Please someone check his identity |
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Post by BearClause on Oct 31, 2006 12:45:36 GMT -5
Any comment P-Dub to my question? I think an important stat would be opponents blocks per game. Iowa State has 2.51 to BU 1.9 This stat would somewhat show that a setter is putting the ball in the right place more consistently. Is there anyway to check Bearwatch's registration or IP address? I am thoroughly convinced this is gwbush posting here in his spare time. Same underlying philosophy - 'Dont confuse me with facts' and 'I can makeup information to fit my point of view and others should believe it just because I said so'. Please someone check his identity I don't find anything all that surprising about him. Just remember "fan" is just short for "Fanatic". |
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Post by baldyballer on Oct 31, 2006 13:43:15 GMT -5
I think you are all missing one important point... which setter means the most to their team? I believe it is Barnes. She gets awesome aces when her team is down, attacks when the hitters are cold, and I've seen her literally fool the block so bad that Baylor hitters had NO BLOCK at least a handful of times this year. She is also a team leader which is hard for any freshman. I think we need to look at things such as these in picking a FOY candidate along with the stats. Her team took Texas to 5 for the first time in history in Austin, beat Nebraska a game, beat Missouri, etc. all feats that show shes leading this team to a new level.
I'm a Holloway fan and I even know her family. I'm not taking away her skills- she is a wonderful setter and person. I just tend to think that most setters look better when you have the supporting cast around you, especially at Nebraska. Stats will always look a little better if your team is #1 in the country. I have a feeling this discussion might be entirely different if Barnes played for Texas or Nebraska. She would suddenly be the best by far in many peoples eyes. I for one aint biting- Barnes has done more with the talent around her than any other freshman or perhaps player in the Big 12.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 31, 2006 14:00:12 GMT -5
I think you are all missing one important point... which setter means the most to their team? I believe it is Barnes. She gets awesome aces when her team is down, attacks when the hitters are cold, and I've seen her literally fool the block so bad that Baylor hitters had NO BLOCK at least a handful of times this year. She is also a team leader which is hard for any freshman. I think we need to look at things such as these in picking a FOY candidate along with the stats. Her team took Texas to 5 for the first time in history in Austin, beat Nebraska a game, beat Missouri, etc. all feats that show shes leading this team to a new level. I'm a Holloway fan and I even know her family. I'm not taking away her skills- she is a wonderful setter and person. I just tend to think that most setters look better when you have the supporting cast around you, especially at Nebraska. Stats will always look a little better if your team is #1 in the country. I have a feeling this discussion might be entirely different if Barnes played for Texas or Nebraska. She would suddenly be the best by far in many peoples eyes. I for one aint biting- Barnes has done more with the talent around her than any other freshman or perhaps player in the Big 12. First of all - I think much of this discussion is on who's going to be the Big 12 FOY. Holloway resdshirted and played during the Spring, so I doubt she gets consideration for that honor. I've seen all sides of these discussions. I've tried playing the "most to her team" angle, the "best stats" angle, and even the "does best with what she's got to work with" angle. In the end, big awards like this seemingly go to the odds-on favorite coming into the season. About the only break in the pattern I've seen as a Pac-10 fan is 2004 where Christal Morrison got conference FOY. I would have thought Bryn Kehoe would have been the annointed choice, but she played in some sort of nontraditional 6-2 that limited her opportunities. I had another (I believe legitimate) thought about Taylor Barnes, but I'd probably be better off keeping it to myself. |
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Post by clonesvb on Oct 31, 2006 16:25:55 GMT -5
Holloway will be eligible for Big 12 Newcomer of the Year. Front runners seem to be her, right sider Cummings from ISU (.347 hitting percentage) and Wang for Missouri. My guess is it goes to Holloway.
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