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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Feb 13, 2007 11:30:57 GMT -5
"We want a proclamaition honoring Colt Brennan saying that he has to be here in August, so he won't go to the NFL." "Are you nuts?, he's a registered sex offender. Of everything that happened with the Colorado football program, he is the only kid they kicked out of school. Its one thing to make him the face of our football program, but how could we possibly go on record as endorsing him?" "Uhm, ok, I can see where you are going with this. What if - oh this is good - we honor KK, a classy young woman, repeat All-American, home grown hero, and we do it the same week?" "So we can honor one of the great young Hawaiians of our time, and keep our starting quarterback, without getting the media all in a dither? Sounds like a win-win to me." First off, Colt isn't Hawaiian! It irritates me to no end when people from the CONTUS erroneously refer to everyone that lives in Hawaii as "Hawaiians". Brennan already decided to stay at UH for his senior season so he'll be here in camp, Colt day or no Colt day. Perhaps you should get your facts staright next time you jump to conclusions.
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Post by soothsayer on Feb 13, 2007 13:53:42 GMT -5
What's the definition of "Hawaiian" please?
Obviously, it differs from a definition like "Texan."
Second, who names their child "Colt"?
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Post by nodisrespect on Feb 13, 2007 15:21:02 GMT -5
What's the definition of "Hawaiian" please? Obviously, it differs from a definition like "Texan." Second, who names their child "Colt"? First, it's a local thing. I get it and don't get it at the same time. Secondly, who names their child Pilot Inspektor or Apple or Dweezil?
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Post by wyldstallyns on Feb 13, 2007 22:43:14 GMT -5
What's the definition of "Hawaiian" please? Obviously, it differs from a definition like "Texan." Second, who names their child "Colt"? First, it's a local thing. I get it and don't get it at the same time. Secondly, who names their child Pilot Inspektor or Apple or Dweezil? It's not a difficult concept. Hawaiians are an ethnic group that originally inhabited the Hawaiian islands for hundreds of years before settlement by westerners. So it is incorrect to refer to all Hawaii residents as Hawaiians unless they are of ethnic Hawaiian ancestry.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Feb 13, 2007 23:41:04 GMT -5
First, it's a local thing. I get it and don't get it at the same time. Secondly, who names their child Pilot Inspektor or Apple or Dweezil? It's not a difficult concept. Hawaiians are an ethnic group that originally inhabited the Hawaiian islands for hundreds of years before settlement by westerners. So it is incorrect to refer to all Hawaii residents as Hawaiians unless they are of ethnic Hawaiian ancestry. Exactly. Thanks.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Feb 14, 2007 10:34:53 GMT -5
First, it's a local thing. I get it and don't get it at the same time. Secondly, who names their child Pilot Inspektor or Apple or Dweezil? It's not a difficult concept. Hawaiians are an ethnic group that originally inhabited the Hawaiian islands for hundreds of years before settlement by westerners. So it is incorrect to refer to all Hawaii residents as Hawaiians unless they are of ethnic Hawaiian ancestry. How does this logic not apply to every region in the continent (or globe) as well? Can we still call people "dakotan" or "minnesotan" or "illinnoying"?
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Feb 14, 2007 11:36:11 GMT -5
It's not a difficult concept. Hawaiians are an ethnic group that originally inhabited the Hawaiian islands for hundreds of years before settlement by westerners. So it is incorrect to refer to all Hawaii residents as Hawaiians unless they are of ethnic Hawaiian ancestry. How does this logic not apply to every region in the continent (or globe) as well? Can we still call people "dakotan" or "minnesotan" or "illinnoying"? What's so hard to understand? "Hawaiians" are those who can trace their ancestry back to the indigenous people who inhabited the Hawaiian Archipelago prior to the arrival of James Cook. Perhaps your question should be how does your logic apply to Hawai'i and the rest of the world? the simple answer is, it doesn't. If you lived in China, would you be Chinese? If you lived in Japan, could you consider yourself Japanese? If you found yourself living in Berlin, would you automatically be German? What you on the ContUS choose to call yourselves is your business but don't apply your way of thinking to us. On my Hawai'i birth certificate, it lists my father's nationality as hawaiian, chinese... my mother's as caucasian, hawaiian. How many of you who live on the ContUS have minnesotan, illinoying. texan, californian, or floridian listed as your ethnicity?
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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 14, 2007 11:38:25 GMT -5
I lost my birth certificate.
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Post by nodisrespect on Feb 14, 2007 16:39:05 GMT -5
First, it's a local thing. I get it and don't get it at the same time. Secondly, who names their child Pilot Inspektor or Apple or Dweezil? It's not a difficult concept. Hawaiians are an ethnic group that originally inhabited the Hawaiian islands for hundreds of years before settlement by westerners. So it is incorrect to refer to all Hawaii residents as Hawaiians unless they are of ethnic Hawaiian ancestry. Sorry, but there's a better name to Hawaiians and that is Native Hawaiians.
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Post by OverAndUnder on Feb 14, 2007 16:43:48 GMT -5
How does this logic not apply to every region in the continent (or globe) as well? Can we still call people "dakotan" or "minnesotan" or "illinnoying"? What's so hard to understand? "Hawaiians" are those who can trace their ancestry back to the indigenous people who inhabited the Hawaiian Archipelago prior to the arrival of James Cook. Perhaps your question should be how does your logic apply to Hawai'i and the rest of the world? the simple answer is, it doesn't. If you lived in China, would you be Chinese? If you lived in Japan, could you consider yourself Japanese? If you found yourself living in Berlin, would you automatically be German? What you on the ContUS choose to call yourselves is your business but don't apply your way of thinking to us. On my Hawai'i birth certificate, it lists my father's nationality as hawaiian, chinese... my mother's as caucasian, hawaiian. How many of you who live on the ContUS have minnesotan, illinoying. texan, californian, or floridian listed as your ethnicity? "Minnesota", "Illinois", and "Dakota" are all names or words taken from First Peoples, but most Minnesotans, Illinoians, and Dakotans are genetically Teutonic, Polish, English, French, Hispanic. Since you believe that no amount of time spent living in Hawai'i can ever make anyone or their descendants Hawai'ian -- because "Hawai'ian" is contingent upon the possession and descent of a specific subgroup of deoxyribonucleic acid chains -- then by the same logic all those folks in the midwest (indeed, virtually the entire continent) are equally misnamed. Those Pedersons and Keillors are not "Dakotans" and "Wisconsinites", those Blagojevics in the midwest have never and can never become "Illinoian", and none of those Smiths and Jeppsens in Utah can ever be called "Utahans".
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Post by Wolfgang on Feb 14, 2007 17:43:40 GMT -5
blah blah blah... and Jeppsens in Utah can ever be called "Utahans". The Jeppsens! God, I loved that space age cartoon series! Who knew that the future of the early 21st Century would look more like "The Simpsons" than anything from the world of "The Jeppsens"?
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Feb 14, 2007 19:05:36 GMT -5
It's not a difficult concept. Hawaiians are an ethnic group that originally inhabited the Hawaiian islands for hundreds of years before settlement by westerners. So it is incorrect to refer to all Hawaii residents as Hawaiians unless they are of ethnic Hawaiian ancestry. Sorry, but there's a better name to Hawaiians and that is Native Hawaiians. Native Hawaiians are classified as those Hawaiians who have over 50% Hawaiian blood quatum.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Feb 14, 2007 19:15:37 GMT -5
What's so hard to understand? "Hawaiians" are those who can trace their ancestry back to the indigenous people who inhabited the Hawaiian Archipelago prior to the arrival of James Cook. Perhaps your question should be how does your logic apply to Hawai'i and the rest of the world? the simple answer is, it doesn't. If you lived in China, would you be Chinese? If you lived in Japan, could you consider yourself Japanese? If you found yourself living in Berlin, would you automatically be German? What you on the ContUS choose to call yourselves is your business but don't apply your way of thinking to us. On my Hawai'i birth certificate, it lists my father's nationality as hawaiian, chinese... my mother's as caucasian, hawaiian. How many of you who live on the ContUS have minnesotan, illinoying. texan, californian, or floridian listed as your ethnicity? "Minnesota", "Illinois", and "Dakota" are all names or words taken from First Peoples, but most Minnesotans, Illinoians, and Dakotans are genetically Teutonic, Polish, English, French, Hispanic. Since you believe that no amount of time spent living in Hawai'i can ever make anyone or their descendants Hawai'ian -- because "Hawai'ian" is contingent upon the possession and descent of a specific subgroup of deoxyribonucleic acid chains -- then by the same logic all those folks in the midwest (indeed, virtually the entire continent) are equally misnamed. Those Pedersons and Keillors are not "Dakotans" and "Wisconsinites", those Blagojevics in the midwest have never and can never become "Illinoian", and none of those Smiths and Jeppsens in Utah can ever be called "Utahans". Your mistake is applying your ContUS logic to Hawaii. Do some research and come back when you "get it".
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Post by nodisrespect on Feb 14, 2007 21:32:23 GMT -5
Sorry, but there's a better name to Hawaiians and that is Native Hawaiians. Native Hawaiians are classified as those Hawaiians who have over 50% Hawaiian blood quatum. They're all the same. So I guess someone who has 25% Native American blood isn't Native, just American.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Feb 14, 2007 21:36:03 GMT -5
Anyone else get upset when they hear "back in America" as if they are in a foreign country while here?
I didn't realize it bugged me until my latest flight back to the islands.
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