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Post by ESTRELLA on Jun 1, 2007 10:46:15 GMT -5
Who ever thinks that Richards is a candidate is smoking something. I have seen Hampton in Club and College. Good overall player, but not that outstnding that she is going to improve the position. ESTRELLA I must be smoking somthing good, because I would take a healthy Richards with good knees over Hampton and perhaps Larson anyday! Does anyone remember how well she played her junior year? That girl was having many 25-30 kills per match and is Stanfords all time dig leader. I think that says something with the amount of players that have come through the farm. If you don't think she could help the NT out then perhaps you should start smoking! Tyorder, and if I did not have a belly or a big butt I could dunk on Yao Ming. Bottom line she is not what she was once. She used to sky.....but at the International level she will not get away with trying to hit it thru the block. Her cut shots and movement around the block is not existent. Barboza, Larson and even old Tom have that ability. College is one thing....International is another. Great smoke by the way! ESTRELLA
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Post by soothsayer on Jun 1, 2007 10:51:28 GMT -5
This is another reason the USA does not develop all-around players. Hardly anyone appreciates them.
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Post by ooreo46 on Jun 1, 2007 15:35:10 GMT -5
I always wondered what happened to Glass - she sort of dissappeared after college ball. I think she's a great option for the outside and a nice addition to the national team. I also think the national team should look out for Sherisa Livingston and get her to play with the team. If I remember correctly, she was pretty scary!!
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Post by pumpkin on Jun 1, 2007 15:37:28 GMT -5
hey anybody remeber the great all around MB's (the Oden sisters , TZ & LC from PSU just to name a few) before the libero changed all of that... "love to see them attack from the back row"
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Post by ESTRELLA on Jun 1, 2007 15:42:11 GMT -5
This is another reason the USA does not develop all-around players. Hardly anyone appreciates them. Sooth, you are right.....they don't get much love. To tell you thE truth, to say that USA develops players or even tries is "insulting". The players are developed by HS, Club and College coaches.....not USA VOLLEYBALL. They just pick who they think is the best, train them for a little bit and send them into the fire. Result.....getting our butts kicked. If USA Volleyball took the time and provided some REAL help via instruction (not a week camp to make money) and other avenues we may be at the same level that these other countries are at. Sorry....but the truth hurts! ESTRELLA
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Post by Murina on Jun 1, 2007 16:03:59 GMT -5
Sooth, you are right.....they don't get much love. To tell you thE truth, to say that USA develops players or even tries is "insulting". The players are developed by HS, Club and College coaches.....not USA VOLLEYBALL. They just pick who they think is the best, train them for a little bit and send them into the fire. Result.....getting our butts kicked. If USA Volleyball took the time and provided some REAL help via instruction (not a week camp to make money) and other avenues we may be at the same level that these other countries are at. Sorry....but the truth hurts! ESTRELLA What programs would you like to see USA volleyball institute to get the USA to the top levels?
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Post by foreignball on Jun 1, 2007 16:36:27 GMT -5
I also think the national team should look out for Sherisa Livingston and get her to play with the team. If I remember correctly, she was pretty scary!! If you mean hitting 'quicks' and killing overpasses- yes, she's. However in any other aspect of the game she is not more than average by the international standards.
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Post by Murina on Jun 2, 2007 22:24:17 GMT -5
This isn't so much Ah Mow as it was how the team was constructed. Yoshida built this team to play very conservative, predictable volleyball. That's why they passed every ball away from the net, and that's why all of the sets to antenna's were very high. His plan was to minimize unforced errors to the extreme.
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Post by ESTRELLA on Jun 6, 2007 9:29:41 GMT -5
Sooth, you are right.....they don't get much love. To tell you thE truth, to say that USA develops players or even tries is "insulting". The players are developed by HS, Club and College coaches.....not USA VOLLEYBALL. They just pick who they think is the best, train them for a little bit and send them into the fire. Result.....getting our butts kicked. If USA Volleyball took the time and provided some REAL help via instruction (not a week camp to make money) and other avenues we may be at the same level that these other countries are at. Sorry....but the truth hurts! ESTRELLA What programs would you like to see USA volleyball institute to get the USA to the top levels? A program in which the players picked will know what they are going into and that they learn the same thing disregrading what team they make. If you look at the situation in USA volleyball today, what will be the trade mark that you can say is typical of every player within the USA National teams? Every couple of years it changes which is an indication of instability from the top to the bottom. Check the different programs in the world and you will see what I'm talking about. The kids from China have a very good slide attack, Japan it is Defense, Russia it is blocking, Brazil.....backrow attacks, etc. What does USA have? ESTRELLA
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Post by Murina on Jun 6, 2007 14:05:56 GMT -5
A program in which the players picked will know what they are going into and that they learn the same thing disregrading what team they make. If you look at the situation in USA volleyball today, what will be the trade mark that you can say is typical of every player within the USA National teams? Every couple of years it changes which is an indication of instability from the top to the bottom. Check the different programs in the world and you will see what I'm talking about. The kids from China have a very good slide attack, Japan it is Defense, Russia it is blocking, Brazil.....backrow attacks, etc. What does USA have? ESTRELLA I think the USA does have something that it is known and feared for - fighting spirit. Do you think that may be oversimplifying things? It takes all of the above to be a top team. China is great at hitting slides, but they are also great blocking, very good on the floor, and are even developing a stong back row attack. Russia and Brazil are also strong in all phases. All the teams are also very competitive. As to your more broad point regarding instability in the system, I see the USAV making an effort to be stable. It is going to be a lot harder for the USAV to maintain a stable coaching staff than it is for other federations. Collier, Gulbranson and Hogan have been with the program for several years now. I wonder how the USAV could become more stable in this area? USAV has a lot less control over their players and coaches than other federations do. In the countries you mention, as well as most others, the top players are concentrated on 8-12 programs that the federation has some control over. In the USA players are all over and in most cases (high school and college) the federation has no control over the programs. I'm sure the USAV would like more access to their players, but the colleges (and even the clubs) wont or can't give them up. Can you imagine if the players on this years Jr WCH team all left their clubs right now to train as a national team straight thru to going to Thailand? Imagine those club parents who all of a sudden don't have a chance to win nationals!!! ;D
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Post by foreignball on Jun 6, 2007 16:39:03 GMT -5
Imagine those club parents who all of a sudden don't have a chance to win nationals!!! ;D ..... if you inform them that all expenses with the NT are covered by the USAV, they (the parents) may look at it as a good opportunity to save some $
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Post by Murina on Jun 6, 2007 16:41:22 GMT -5
Imagine those club parents who all of a sudden don't have a chance to win nationals!!! ;D ..... if you inform them that all expenses with the NT are covered by the USAV, they (the parents) may look at it as a good opportunity to save some $ I was actually thinking of the other players and parents on the club team. My hypothetical question is being answered on PrepVB's board. It's going about how I expected.
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Post by ESTRELLA on Jun 7, 2007 8:56:11 GMT -5
A program in which the players picked will know what they are going into and that they learn the same thing disregrading what team they make. If you look at the situation in USA volleyball today, what will be the trade mark that you can say is typical of every player within the USA National teams? Every couple of years it changes which is an indication of instability from the top to the bottom. Check the different programs in the world and you will see what I'm talking about. The kids from China have a very good slide attack, Japan it is Defense, Russia it is blocking, Brazil.....backrow attacks, etc. What does USA have? ESTRELLA I think the USA does have something that it is known and feared for - fighting spirit. Do you think that may be oversimplifying things? It takes all of the above to be a top team. China is great at hitting slides, but they are also great blocking, very good on the floor, and are even developing a stong back row attack. Russia and Brazil are also strong in all phases. All the teams are also very competitive. As to your more broad point regarding instability in the system, I see the USAV making an effort to be stable. It is going to be a lot harder for the USAV to maintain a stable coaching staff than it is for other federations. Collier, Gulbranson and Hogan have been with the program for several years now. I wonder how the USAV could become more stable in this area? USAV has a lot less control over their players and coaches than other federations do. In the countries you mention, as well as most others, the top players are concentrated on 8-12 programs that the federation has some control over. In the USA players are all over and in most cases (high school and college) the federation has no control over the programs. I'm sure the USAV would like more access to their players, but the colleges (and even the clubs) wont or can't give them up. Can you imagine if the players on this years Jr WCH team all left their clubs right now to train as a national team straight thru to going to Thailand? Imagine those club parents who all of a sudden don't have a chance to win nationals!!! ;D Murina.....thanks for agreeing with me. You have made my day! ESTRELLA
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Post by pumpkin on Jun 7, 2007 16:24:26 GMT -5
is there any PRO-LEAUGE overseas, that would allow any country to enter there NT into there leauge season ( kinda like practices ) for these countries...
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Post by Murina on Jun 7, 2007 17:30:56 GMT -5
It's a stretch to try to enter a national team into a foreign pro league. It would take finding a league that has no restrictions on foreign players (not sure but maybe Spain or Switzerland?) as well as finding a club owner who is willing to hire all the players of a single national team. I think you would have a hard time finding a club owner who's sense of nationalism would allow him to do that!
Training one's own national team as a club team has been done. The Soviet/Russian national team played in their own league as Uralochka for years. Currently the Dutch national team plays in their national league and the European Champions League as Dela/Martinus.
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