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Post by BigBanger on May 5, 2004 17:31:29 GMT -5
Ohhh, lets coddle the younger players....... Ohhhh, poor young players.......... Please name 17/18 year old players that immediately made a significant impact in collegiate volleball. Young players are OVERRATED! Bring on the 25 to 27 year olds....the ones you call "old"....hahahaha........ If that's old, then I'm Elizabeth Taylor. So you were that Drag Queen I saw on Santa Monica Blvd. last weekend? just kidd'n |
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Post by PukaPants on May 5, 2004 17:55:39 GMT -5
So you were that Drag Queen I saw on Santa Monica Blvd. last weekend? just kidd'n haha! Well, that depends... Was it the Cleopatra version or the old geezer version that is a FOMJ (friend of Michael Jackson)? |
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Post by BigBanger on May 5, 2004 17:59:23 GMT -5
haha! Well, that depends... Was it the Cleopatra version or the old geezer version that is a FOMJ (friend of Michael Jackson)? That was you.................................FABULOUSSS SISSTA! |
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Post by benwhipdrofn on May 5, 2004 22:09:19 GMT -5
someone somewhere made a comment about the BYU and mormons and foreign players. Several of BYU players are foreign, so do we put them into a different catagory. HOnestly, I don't take into consideration the fact the BYU players are mormons, some of them are not. but anyway, that's not an issue for me at all, neither is the whole mission thing. Honestly, I don't care. I like the foreign players, they add to the sport and it gives them a chance at a good education that they could not get in their homeland. We all know that America has more opportunities than a lot of other countries, so why not give others a chance....because they weren't born here.....did they have that choice? Did you? Anyway, the age issue....I can see that to a point, but even that. I just wish NCAA would get their acts together and make the rules simple and get rid of loop holes. It's leaving too much out there. I can see the advantage of loopholes, but it creates too many questionable players. If you read the article that was posted today about the trouble that Lewis has faced. JR's eligibility was questioned about how many hours he took before he got to Lewis......(Allman) Gustavo was being questioned about his pro status and what he competed in (Div. 1 vs Div 2 rules) from what I understand BYU Moreno. This is what I've been saying and what is frustrating to me. I have always respected programs like BYU, Pepperdine, UCLA and Lewis. These are the upper crust programs that I remember as a kid being the elite programs. When I came to this website all's I heard about was Lewis cheating. I don't think Lewis has knowing broken rules that were not in a gray area that other schools were also "being creative" about looking for the same loopholes. I honestly would hate it if BYU would win and then be investigated for these same exact issues. It would put a huge bruise on the sport. Not trashing BYU here at all, I'm pointing out that the BYU accusation are basically the same accusations that Lewis is now (after they won the championship) being faced with. That's all folks. Honestly, I still respect those programs and think there is a lot to learn there, I watch the game tapes as often as I can to see what I'm missing or what each team does differently. They are great programs.......NCAA just needs to get rid of loopholes. Yes, I'm working on my bitterness issues....can you tell  ) oh Go Flyers!!! I am still a huge fan ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Gorf on May 6, 2004 8:15:55 GMT -5
Just out of curiousity, why can't they do their mission after their volleyball eligibily is done? Wouldn't that be the best scenerio for everyone? I'm just asking this because it has been stated many times on this board that it isn't an advantage to the athletes but more of a disadvantage. Is there some kind of rule that prohibits this? I'd guess their religious related issues supercede other issue such as getting into a collegiate athletics program right out of high school. |
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Post by Gorf on May 6, 2004 8:28:49 GMT -5
Out of curiousity. How many of the "old" and "foreign" players being complained about in this thread have truly allowed various schools to make more of an impact for the top programs of the men's NCAA volleyball teams? Doesn't UCLA claim to not recruit such players and aren't they still the team that win's the national championship (or at least is in the running for it) more often than any other school? Has UCLA not won for a couple of years and that makes some people upset that other teams are competing with them lately? I can understand how a player that's played professionally somewhere in the world ought to be prevented from playing on NCAA teams and is already prohibited by the NCAA rules. It seems to me that the issue is not so much "age" or "foreign" player related as it is in policing of players on teams in relation to their having played professionally prior to enrolling in an NCAA collegiate program. Sure there can be an advantage at times for a player than enters college at a slightly later age, but I'd guess there is more of an advantage for those that are simply born with more athletic genes than the rest of us. I don't see anyone trying to prevent superiorly athletic players from playing on the NCAA collegiate teams because they have an advantage over everyone else playing on the teams. ((* Okay, so being up pretty much literally all night dealing with cranky computers has me in a weird mood.  *)) |
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Post by vballguy2001 on May 7, 2004 17:59:05 GMT -5
>-(Gorf)-<[} link=board=menvb&thread=1083472354&start=50#3 date=1083850129]Out of curiousity. How many of the "old" and "foreign" players being complained about in this thread have truly allowed various schools to make more of an impact for the top programs of the men's NCAA volleyball teams? Doesn't UCLA claim to not recruit such players and aren't they still the team that win's the national championship (or at least is in the running for it) more often than any other school? Has UCLA not won for a couple of years and that makes some people upset that other teams are competing with them lately? I can understand how a player that's played professionally somewhere in the world ought to be prevented from playing on NCAA teams and is already prohibited by the NCAA rules. It seems to me that the issue is not so much "age" or "foreign" player related as it is in policing of players on teams in relation to their having played professionally prior to enrolling in an NCAA collegiate program. Sure there can be an advantage at times for a player than enters college at a slightly later age, but I'd guess there is more of an advantage for those that are simply born with more athletic genes than the rest of us. I don't see anyone trying to prevent superiorly athletic players from playing on the NCAA collegiate teams because they have an advantage over everyone else playing on the teams. ((* Okay, so being up pretty much literally all night dealing with cranky computers has me in a weird mood. *))I think the issue is foreign "professional" players. I could care less if they are 26 or 19. I just think players with professional experience shouldn't be allowed. |
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