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Post by CaliforniaVBfan on May 29, 2004 3:39:12 GMT -5
The list of former US College players on teams in Puerto Rico is amazing. The Puerto Rico Superior League season is in high gear. Here is the link to the Puerto Rico Superior League. www.fpvoleibol.com/masculino.htmlClick on "jugadores" for player names or "equipos" for a list of team names or "positiones" for the team rankings, or "itinerario" for the schedule (here "ver" provides the stats). Here is the legend for the stats: ATQ Kills BLQ SO Solo Blocks BLQ AS Block Assists SAQ Serice Aces DEF Digs ASIS Assists
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Post by benwhipdrofn on May 29, 2004 20:51:42 GMT -5
Lots of familar names there
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Post by luvb on May 30, 2004 3:42:27 GMT -5
Is it just me, or should Enrique Escalante and Jose Castellano not be playing in Puerto Rico's Superior League? Last time I checked, the league had been declared a professional league. That would mean that both of them, who have eligibility remaining, would now be professionals and unable to complete their careers. Maybe with Deuser's departure they decided to give up on playing in the states. If this is indeed the case, then just toss a few more logs on the bonfire that Deuser set when he left.
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Post by benwhipdrofn on May 30, 2004 11:55:03 GMT -5
there are BYU players and Long Beach players there along with others too. I don't remember the rules concerning the league but there was certain rules due to the fact that PR is considered United States territory.
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Post by vb on May 30, 2004 12:34:05 GMT -5
LOOK....is it me, or is this NCAA guessing game out of control??
Why can't the NCAA just make a simple list on what can and cannot be done? Why do we always have to guess what is proper THIS month? I am getting fed up at players screwing up their eligibility and their team eligibility. Do these PR teams spell it out for the guys and how it will impact their college play? (with NCAA stamp of approval)
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Post by AAVolley on May 30, 2004 14:22:34 GMT -5
The BYU and Long Beach players are all graduated seniors that are done with their eligibility, so they don't really need to be concerned about the NCAA anymore. If those other guys really do have a year or two left I can't imagine that what they are doing is legal.
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Post by banthony2 on May 31, 2004 1:49:32 GMT -5
One player I recogized on the list is Enoc Cardona. I think he redshirted in 2003 and didn't play but a match or two this year. I heard he can't play on Saturdays for religious purposes. He didn't travel with the team or even dress on Friday night games. Did he decide to leave BYU? Is it the same guy?
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Post by midwestfan on Jun 1, 2004 0:59:17 GMT -5
Yeah, it seems like a problem to me if these guys are still in school and are playing in the PR league. That's why Santiago gave up his senior year ... to play "professionally" in PR.
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Post by VBbeast on Jun 2, 2004 10:55:38 GMT -5
Haven't checked the roster lists, but if a player has remaining eligibility and is playing in the league he pretty much just made himself a pro.
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Post by banthony2 on Jun 2, 2004 15:41:31 GMT -5
Is there anybody on the list who does have eligibility remaining and plans to go back to play college ball?
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Post by midwestfan on Jun 2, 2004 19:36:24 GMT -5
From the big list of players: ACEVEDO, GABY (VAQUEROS DE BAYAMON) - UCLA CAMPOS, FELIX (CHANGOS DE NARANJITO) - George Mason CARDONA, ENOC (REBELDES DE MOCA) - BYU CASTELLANO, JOSE (VAQUEROS DE BAYAMON) - Lewis ESCALANTE, ENRIQUE (VAQUEROS DE BAYAMON) - Lewis SANTIAGO, DENNIS (PATRIOTAS DE LARES) - UCLA UNDERWOOD, RYAN (PLAYEROS DE SAN JUAN) - Ohio State Looking at some names on that list, it might include players from last year, but not this year. Were current college players who were playing before the NCAA changed the rule grandfathered? First off, Dennis Santiago played for IPFW and just decided to forgo his senior year so that he could play. Secondly, I did think that there was a grandfather rule/clause but I'm not sure that any of the players mentioned above would qualify except for maybe Campos. Acevedo and Escalante were both freshman last year with Acevedo being a red shirt for UCLA. Soooo, I don't see how a grandfather clause would apply to them!
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Jun 2, 2004 22:39:24 GMT -5
I went back to the NCAA website and reread the Div 2 rules. From what I could make out was....if their team was sponsored by a professional team, then they are considered pro. BUT if a team is not sponsored by a pro team and they do not register as a pro and something about the cost of their club costs do not exceed winnings or something like that, then it's ok. There were different levels and really the only example that they used to explain was a international basketball league. I didn't find anything specifically on the Superior league. I didn't realize that Touzinsky and Lee were seniors this year. That's too bad, I enjoyed watching them play. I am suprised that they are there too, but I know the PR league has many levels, unless there is a coach or NCAA person out there that can actually give us the specific details.....we shouldn't assume that they are breaking rules. Would those players actually be that stupid????or do they just know it's the off season and we need something to discuss ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) )
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Post by VBbeast on Jun 3, 2004 14:14:00 GMT -5
Got a buddy that coaches in the league and from what I understand there are pretty much 2 levels of participation within the league. The actual competing teams which have been deemed professional, and as a requirement by the Puerto Rican Volleyball Association each team must sponsor a developmental team. The developmental teams are typically high school age kids who are not paid, but who will compete against other developmental teams in organized competition.
The whole draft system down there is kind of weird. Players can be drafted whether they want to compete in the league or not. Clubs will draft a kid that is going into college knowing that he can't compete with them, but it gives them a right of first refusal on him as a player if and when he chooses to play in the league.
The grandfather statement by the NCAA was more or less stating that participation prior to a certain date was ok (not sure what that date is, but its sometime in 2002 I think for D1 and 2003 for everyone else.) That doesn't mean players coming out of high school prior to that date can continue to play.
I have no knowledge of any particular individual that is participating, but if there are any such individuals they have made themselves pros and forfeited their remaining eligibility. (example Santiago for IPFW)
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Post by midwestfan on Jun 3, 2004 22:44:00 GMT -5
forfeited their remaining eligibility. (example Santiago for IPFW) Way to rub it in! ;D I'm still crying in my beer over it! ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png) Seriously, VBbeast, thanks for getting the information and the clarification! It's made the muddy water only murky!
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Post by vballguy2001 on Jun 4, 2004 18:49:13 GMT -5
Question. So does this mean Enoc Cardona will not be returning to BYU?
He is on the list of players on that web site.
it's good to see Ossie Antonetti is still competing. I love that guy.
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