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Post by standingroomonly1 on Oct 20, 2007 8:12:04 GMT -5
Be embarrassed for yourself for making those kinds of comments rather than hoping they can figure things out in the 2nd half of the Big 10 schedule and be able to make a run in the NCAA touorament. This is one of the most competive seasons across the board for the Big 10 in years. If you're a fan your a fan regardless of match / seasons outcomes otherwise your a band wagon fan that's only there when the teams is dominating. Gorf, in the exact same regard, I bleed my scarlett & grey and always will. But sometimes embarrassment/frustration/ANGER/denial, etc. etc. etc. get the best of any true fan. Remember the BCS NC game on Jan 8? Believe me-- thousands of Buckeye fans punched walls that night-- it's one thing to be a Homer or a bandwagoneer-- it's another to be a human being with human emotions and just be PISSED OFF when your team absolutely sucks. We assign blame; we vent; we (hopefully) get over it. Northwestern is not a good team. They have no business beating established programs, and no stats or precedents will change my mind. It could have been worse: Minnesota could have lost to those non-athletic fat girls at HOME like OSU did. So that's the same as you getting a "D" on a test but looking at the next guy who got an "F." Your score sucks, but it could have been worse. Believe me, Gophs, I truly feel your pain. In August, I was told that the OSU seniors were practicing "out of the gym" and that the new setter (Betsy Hone) actually had better hands than Main's. Not to mention, Szerszen was on fire playing in Europe, and Katie Dull was to be the new Stacey Gordon. Look what WE got. I think I'd rather have your D than my F at this point. At least you'll play post-season. Good analogy ohiostatetad, This post should/could be rerun almost every week on this forum just to remind people to keep things in prospective after a loss. Similarly, we might constantly re-remind those who are standing on the edge of a cliff or preparing to run with scissors in their hands because their hero didn't get the POW in their conference or even better, the NPOW. Oh yeah, those people are out there.
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Post by ohiostatetad on Oct 20, 2007 8:40:30 GMT -5
or... you could be a Nebraska fan and just say, "If we sucked that badly, I'd kill myself with a rock."
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Post by shouts on Oct 20, 2007 9:09:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't be too hard on Hartmann. She is the same setter that got them to the Elite 8 last year. I'm sure she wants to win as badly as anyone. No works as hard as a college athlete and doesn't want to win.
Minnesota will right it's ship. It's just having some growing pains right now.
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Post by JHAM on Oct 20, 2007 9:29:04 GMT -5
OK, I will put on my rose colored glasses and say the cup is just half empty now. MN can still put the pieces together. Look at the alternative, can they get any worse at this point? God I hope not. (4 kills in a game, UGH!)
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Post by Gorf on Oct 20, 2007 9:30:22 GMT -5
Be embarrassed for yourself for making those kinds of comments rather than hoping they can figure things out in the 2nd half of the Big 10 schedule and be able to make a run in the NCAA tournament. This is one of the most competitive seasons across the board for the Big 10 in years. If you're a fan your a fan regardless of match / seasons outcomes otherwise your a band wagon fan that's only there when the teams is dominating. Gorf, in the exact same regard, I bleed my scarlett & grey and always will. But sometimes embarrassment/frustration/ANGER/denial, etc. etc. etc. get the best of any true fan. Remember the BCS NC game on Jan 8? Believe me-- thousands of Buckeye fans punched walls that night-- it's one thing to be a Homer or a bandwagoneer-- it's another to be a human being with human emotions and just be PISSED OFF when your team absolutely sucks. We assign blame; we vent; we (hopefully) get over it. Northwestern is not a good team. They have no business beating established programs, and no stats or precedents will change my mind. It could have been worse: Minnesota could have lost to those non-athletic fat girls at HOME like OSU did. So that's the same as you getting a "D" on a test but looking at the next guy who got an "F." Your score sucks, but it could have been worse. Believe me, Gophs, I truly feel your pain. In August, I was told that the OSU seniors were practicing "out of the gym" and that the new setter (Betsy Hone) actually had better hands than Main's. Not to mention, Szerszen was on fire playing in Europe, and Katie Dull was to be the new Stacey Gordon. Look what WE got. I think I'd rather have your D than my F at this point. At least you'll play post-season. I'll agree with you on the sometimes losing your focus when your teams don't live up to expectations, however, this season I expected some peculiar match losses a times because of all of the new players on the team trying to figure out how to play with each other and find the best lineup(s) for success before the end of the 2nd half of the conference season was over. So they're still relatively on track from my preseason expectations with perhaps being a game or two behind where I was hoping they'd be at this point but I did expect plenty of times of struggling in conference matches. I didn't expect them not to have found a vocal floor leader that could get the the team refocused when their level of play slips like Paula and Marci were able to do in their careers her. It doesn't have to be a senior / junior but they need someone to grow into that role sometime soon if they want to have a chance for another solid post season run this year. Paula stepped into that role to a degree even as a frosh but everyone doesn't have the mindset to grow into that role as a frosh and some won't make that transition even by the time they're senior season is done. Every player can learn to communicate with each other though rather than generally being quiet and one of the frosh / sophs / juniors can learn to grow into the vocal floor leader role. I won't give up on the team until their season is somehow actually ended. Even then I'd be proud of them for the hard work they've all put in trying to learn to adapt to D1 volleyball and working hard to improve the team and trying to find a sucessful lineup they can move forward with in the tournament. If they don't get selected or get eliminated in the 1st or 2nd round matches I'll chalk it up to youth / inexperience and hope for better things in 2008 with the young player being able to benefit from a full spring session, perhaps training together in the summer the early season 2008 practices and pre-conference makes where there won't likely be as many new players on the team next year as there were this year. We can agree to disagree on those types of feelings above - we all have different mindsets for how we deal with situations like those. In 2005 there was a chemistry issue and they git eliminated by Tennessee while giving up big leads in games to lose the games. In 2006 they make it to the elite 8 and pushed Nebraska to 5 games which no one else in the tournament managed to do in any of their other matches. This year they have a lot of turnover and they still have a shot and getting things under control and get themselves back to playing well. That shot gets a bit small with each conference loss though. It will help a lot if Jessy fully recovers from he injury (including mentally) since she hasn't been her usual self in closing blocks consistently after the injury. Both OSU and MN have problems with the ups and downs of youth and hopefully both will find a way to make it into the tournament. What I won't do is condone your insulting the Northwestern players by calling the "those non-athletic fat girls". If it were my choice I'd make doing things like that call for temporary banning from VT.
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Post by shouts on Oct 20, 2007 9:35:10 GMT -5
[/quote]What I won't do is condone your insulting the Northwestern players by calling the "those non-athletic fat girls".
If it were my choice I'd make doing things like that call for temporary banning from VT.[/quote]
Excellent point Gorf. And I would bet those non-athletic girls are a hell of a lot smarter than ohiostated.
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Post by ohiostatetad on Oct 20, 2007 9:40:11 GMT -5
What I won't do is condone your insulting the Northwestern players by calling the "those non-athletic fat girls". If it were my choice I'd make doing things like that call for temporary banning from VT. I never asked you to condone anything. I calls 'em like I sees 'em. And another thing: isn't the non-conference August/Sept the time to decide a lineup? Even the SHRIEKER on ESPN kept referring to it as "Ohio State's 11th diferent starting line." I'm not even talking Minnesota. Every time I see OSU, something is completely different, and it's not to confound the opposition. So they started running a 6-2 all of a sudden... versus Wisky. hmmmm.
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Post by Gorf on Oct 20, 2007 9:44:37 GMT -5
OK, I will put on my rose colored glasses and say the cup is just half empty now. MN can still put the pieces together. Look at the alternative, can they get any worse at this point? God I hope not. (4 kills in a game, UGH!) I like Rachel a lot, however, this year she's struggled a lot with the passing this year that isn't as good as what she was getting in 2006. If they have other games like that one it wouldn't hurt much to give Caitlin a chance at setting to see how she handles the poor passing and give her some experience for say half of the game and give her a chance to show what she's capable of doing. Rachel would remain the started, however, sometimes when a starting setter is strugging a lot it can be worth it to give the back up a chance to carry / lead the team. That may well be wishful thinking since Rachel is a junior and Caitlin is a frosh but other teams have had success with frosh setters this season. Then we could have yet another frosh getting significant playing time in some games. Perhap they could even try a 6-2 they could have Gibby and Brook playing back row and had other player subbing in for the setters when they're in the front row to always have 3 attackers / blockers at the net. The libero could be tough to figure out in a 6-2 with Brook and Gibby both playing back row and front row. Brook would be able to play right side and two other players would sub in front row for the setters. That would leave Jessy and Kyla needed to be replaced in the back row which doesn't work well for a libero replacing a left and a middle. Perhaps someone smarter like (R)uffda! could figure out how a 6-2 could theoretically be given a chance with the current players just for the sake of discussion.
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Post by Gorf on Oct 20, 2007 10:15:59 GMT -5
What I won't do is condone your insulting the Northwestern players by calling the "those non-athletic fat girls". If it were my choice I'd make doing things like that call for temporary banning from VT. I never asked you to condone anything. I calls 'em like I sees 'em. And another thing: isn't the non-conference August/Sept the time to decide a lineup? Even the SHRIEKER on ESPN kept referring to it as "Ohio State's 11th diferent starting line." I'm not even talking Minnesota. Every time I see OSU, something is completely different, and it's not to confound the opposition. So they started running a 6-2 all of a sudden... versus Wisky. hmmmm. Some thing just don't work out the way you hope after picking a pre-conference lineup. A lot of young players struggle more than hoped for when they get into the conference matches that are tougher than many of the pre-conference matches. Jim Stone is generally very good at getting his teams performing better for the 2nd have of the conference season even after slow starts in the 1st half of the conference season. It doesn't always work out but much more often than not it does workout and it's similar for Dr. Mike. If things are not working out you have to make changes in trying to resolve problems since just doing the exact same thing every match isn't very likely to solve the problems.
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Post by ballvolley on Oct 20, 2007 10:38:17 GMT -5
first, calling big ten athletes non-athletic makes no sense. northwestern's roster is full of top 100 players, and they certainly aren't fat. grow up.
wondering why paulus didn't play? is she injured, or was it chan's another attempt at a magical line-up. seemed to work, though. this is reminscent of the cats in 2005...dismal first half, then a 5 game win vs minnesota turned the season around.
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Post by mango on Oct 20, 2007 11:01:25 GMT -5
Ohiostatetad is undoubtedly reflecting on his massive beer belly and had a brain fart when he called the Wildcats fat. Probably the same recent lapse of judgement demonstrated by Nobel laureate, James Watson, who in his senility inferred that Blacks don't have the same genetically determined IQ as whites. It'll take a long time to get any credibility back Ohiostatetad.
The major change for NU's line up is that the senior right side was replaced with a freshman who is about 4 inches taller and brings a formidible presence for blocking, although the blocking stats don't suggest a major impact in this area unless you atrtibute the opponent's ball hitting errors to the new right side's block attempts.
NWU continues to have blocking issues, the setter was bump setting more than anything, and the team still has not developed a credible second takeover of the ball on offense. Of course, when the vast majority of passes result in bump sets, I doubt the setter attack is possible. Great win for NU capitalizing on an underperforming team.
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Post by Keystonekid on Oct 20, 2007 11:40:54 GMT -5
When I said last week that Minnesota will never win a match again, I was kidding.
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Post by shouts on Oct 20, 2007 11:41:35 GMT -5
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Post by smiley on Oct 20, 2007 11:42:11 GMT -5
If you insult the other team it does two things.
1. If you win, so what, they were bad so it means nothing for you to win.
2. If you lose it means you're even worse.
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Post by shouts on Oct 20, 2007 11:46:07 GMT -5
This is the first time since 1995 that the Gophers have lost 4 consecutive matches. Gopher Trivia If my memory serves me correctly Adam Beamer was on the sidelines for the Gophers in 1995 also. I am NOT trying to make a correlation between the team losing 4 consecutive matches and Beamer coaching. I am just offering some trivia.
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