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Post by goGopherBill on Mar 18, 2005 9:18:04 GMT -5
Its a new thread...so
Bush is God....and knows all...should start it out right...
but those who might participate should start with this..
Is the environment for us ..now or "for our kids" ?
or I dont wanna pay $3 stinking dollars for a gallon of gas"
The Registered Democrats out number registered Republicans ..and with the minority ...gay and Indian vote seemingly in the democrats corner ..how is it Bush got re-elected ?
The environment is seen as a Democratic win yet Bush and the republicans are overturning the BAD Clinton rules he imposed illegally in his last days of office in order to elect Gore...How that work out?
Lets focus on the environment..cost of policies as well as the cost of gas...Job loss to overseas due to strict enviro protection not afforded to overseas environments.
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Post by islandgirl on Mar 18, 2005 11:56:59 GMT -5
Its a new thread...so Bush is God....and knows all... Do your eyes glaze over when you say that? And do you start walking at a slow pace with your arms held out in front of you? Okay, I'll play. It's for our kids! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2005 13:11:23 GMT -5
I don't really care what Bill says anymore. It's just non-stop nonsense (which Gorf then breaks down point-by-point forever--gawd!).
What I want to know is how come both Hawaiian senators--democrats both, right?--voted for opening the ANWR for drilling? What's in it for them?
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Post by Gorf on Mar 18, 2005 13:42:12 GMT -5
Just cuz (R)uffda! asked for it! Its a new thread...so Bush is God....and knows all...should start it out right... Blasphemer! How can you call yourself a Christian after making a statement like that? I'll be Bill in this post. Is the national debt for us or for our children? Dick Cheney says you have to get over the thought that low gasoline prices are good for Americans! Obviously the Democrats that didn't vote or voted for GWB believed all the lies of the moderate Republican dominated media. How about those Europeans with their being so fortunate to pay gas prices that are generally at least 2-4 times the price in the US. Join in on the conservative Republican chants of "get over it!" and "four more beers, four more beers!". |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Mar 18, 2005 13:50:58 GMT -5
What I want to know is how come both Hawaiian senators--democrats both, right?--voted for opening the ANWR for drilling? What's in it for them? Passage of the Akaka Bil, The Repulicans helped them pass the Akaka Bill out of Committee, they returned the favor. Quite frankly, they sold out. Let me add that I am against drilling in ANWR. Last year we went to a discussion at the State Capital where members of one of the Native tribes that would be most affected by the drilling, the Gwich'in, talked about their history, their lifestyle, and why they opposed the drilling. It was quite sad. Most people are really oblivious to the special relationship between Native peoples (not only Hawaiians but all Native peoples) and their land/environment. Bush is really letting me down. |
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Post by FreeBall on Mar 18, 2005 14:29:38 GMT -5
[quote author=BiK link=board=news&thread=1111155484&start=4#0 date=1111171858] Most people are really oblivious to the special relationship between Native peoples (not only Hawaiians but all Native peoples) and their land/environment.
Bush is really letting me down.[/quote]
This should not come as a shock.
Look at the amount of campaign contributions Bush (and other Republicans) received from oil interests and compare it to what came from Native peoples. In this and many other cases, Political Payola rules. To hell with what is best for the long term health of the environment, the economy, etc.
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Post by itsallaboutme on Mar 18, 2005 15:03:03 GMT -5
What really pisses me off is that Bush attached this to the Budget bill which cannot be filibustered. I think thats bullsh!t. Drilling in ANWR would not pass through congress any other way. It's just a very sleezy way of circumventing the system. Even if drilling is allowed & the amount of oil that is speculated to be in this reserve is true it will not make a difference in price and would not make it to market for atleast 8-10 years.
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Post by goGopherBill on Mar 18, 2005 17:08:59 GMT -5
So you guys are all on board with $3 dollar gas...and its expected cost in rising prices and inflation..
Factoid ..we have 9% more gas reserves on hand than this time last year..
Another one for the druids...
Take every car in America ..convert it to hybred fuels and you would get a whoping 3% reduction in oil used..
University of Houston..
Every Alaskan recieves Money from oil each and every year...The majority of ALASKANS favor drilling...its not about the minority...everyone gets the money...
The oil will be equal to 20 years supply from Saudi Arabia.
Depending less on foreign oil now is ..for my kids...
Gee.. my parents paid 20 cents a gallon for gas... I will pay $3 dollars soon..I guess our parents didnt think about it either.
My test ..how far and how much to you spend every week on gas?
be honest..
And if the Clinton environmental rules were not relaxed ..more jobs would be headed overseas..
See..Mexico ..Brazil..China and Japan.
All allow more pollution than we do ..keeping cost down.and incouraging job and money investment.
So with Education..minority rights...the environment all firmly in the democratic corner..Howd Bush win?
Maybe you guys are all really Gophers ..buried in holes underground...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2005 17:14:46 GMT -5
Here's a thought: maybe we should be concentrating on finding alternatives to oil? Seems like it would solve a lot of ours and the world's problems.
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Post by me on Mar 18, 2005 17:41:04 GMT -5
The Registered Democrats out number registered Republicans ..and with the minority ...gay and Indian vote seemingly in the democrats corner ..how is it Bush got re-elected ? Probably because the people that didn't want Bush to be re-elected was paying a lot of attention to the news postings of the Exit Poll and thought since the Exit Polls was stating Kerry was leading, they felt there was no need to go stand in long lines to vote, thinking Kerry was going to win the election. Or probably what happened was, people that would normally vote Democrat decided last minute that they felt that it would take more than a politician to fix Bush's mess. Or perhaps, both of the probabilities I stated combined. Although this is an off topic, I just found out that some of the billions of dollars that went into the rebuilding of Iraq went to providing free medicine to the Iraqi people, and at the same time, the senior citizens in the US are struggling to find ways to pay for their own much needed prescription drugs, not to mention that the price of prescription drugs has gone up this year. |
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Post by goGopherBill on Mar 18, 2005 19:18:26 GMT -5
A couple of notes for Mr.R..
Like adding more ethenol to our gas from corn..another enviro joke...it takes gas to produce corn..fertilizers to grow it...and more energy to produce it.
Your simple solution statements without offering anything besides bashing this president gives you No greedence.
We could use the hot air from senator Kennedy..it might fuel your house for a week.
On all that spending for Iraq....every administration is guilty of what you describe...are you just gonna single out this president...
My deal about spreading democracy...a nation with a dictator that allows No voting..allows for no human rights and is a threat to our nation sits 90 miles off our coast. Cuba is a terrorist safe haven under its leaders gise and great losing experiment.(Communism).We have spent more lives fighting over it than Iraq and yet no body bitches about it...
But your arguments for the environment seem really plain and scripted...I have been north of the artic circle in Alaska and know how large a country it is.
The wacko enviros have been leading you like sheep....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2005 19:41:59 GMT -5
A couple of notes for Mr.R.. Like adding more ethenol to our gas from corn..another enviro joke...it takes gas to produce corn..fertilizers to grow it...and more energy to produce it. Your simple solution statements without offering anything besides bashing this president gives you No greedence. 1) Simple? No one claimed it would be simple. But we need alternatives to oil--and, no, I'm not talking ethanol. 2) Greedence? Do I want greedence? Wow. That was cogent. What exactly is your point again? (We've lost more lives fighting over Cuba? Huh?) |
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Post by FreeBall on Mar 18, 2005 21:19:23 GMT -5
So you guys are all on board with $3 dollar gas Personally, I have no problem with higher gas prices if the end result is to make this country more conservation minded. The government should impose higher fuel economy standards and also make sure that SUV's are included in the computations - most are presently exempted from the computations because they are treated as trucks, rather than as passenger vehicles. In reality, the vast majority of SUV's are used as passenger vehicles, just like cars. I am amused when I hear politicians and others talking about the need to lessen our dependence on FOREIGN oil. The real solution to many of the problems we face is to lessen our dependence on OIL, period. The focus should be on two things - 1) Developing alternative technologies such as hydrogen fuel cells, so that we can eventually wean ourselves off of oil almost completely; and, 2) Conservation, so that we use less oil during the transition period. |
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Post by Gorf on Mar 19, 2005 2:11:06 GMT -5
So you guys are all on board with $3 dollar gas...and its expected cost in rising prices and inflation.. Oil companies are making record level profits. The price of oil increases, they instantly increase prices at the pumps. The price of oil decreases, they say it takes 6+ weeks for there to be an impact on the pump prices. Are you thanking GWB for that? Ask them how much of a difference there would be if the automakers of the world had continued making cars with better fuel economy taking for granted that oil would always be readily available. Forgetting about the problems of the 70s and 80s. Making more and more larger cars that get less fuel economy than their counter parts of even the recent past. More gas guzzling sports cars, SUV's and pickups. Car companies getting around the EPA restrictions by making cars that can be classified as "trucks" (ie, one of the criteria is based on percent of storage availability compared to overall vehical interior volume so changes like removable seats allow some vehicle to get around the EPA restrictions.) To some extent you can't blame the automakers for making more of what the general public is clamoring for so "we" get what we derserve for our complacency. It is similar to airport security complacency between the time the first Iraq war ended and the attacks of 9/11. We become overly secure and uncaring about the things we take for granted until they start to be taken away for various reasons. Reports actually show that the entire volume of oil expected to be extracted from Alaska would end up being enough to supply the US for less than 6 months, some say it might even be as few as 2 months. The process isn't expected to start actually producing any oil for years and the total amount produced will be relatively negligible. Depending on foreign oil has been happening for many years Bill. Cheney put a bill before Congress in 1986 that would have placed a huge tax on oil purchased from over seas. Oil prices had droppped to $14 per barrel and he proposed putting a tax on oil purchased from other countries that placed a minimum price of $28 per barrel on it. So oil purchased for $14 per barrell would be taxed an additional $14 per barrell. He angered even his own fellow "conservatives" with that one, some clamiing that his proposal would cost their states hundreds of thousands of jobs. Why did Cheney want that tax? Because domestic oil companies were facing tough competition in the oil market from foreign oil producers. Your parents probably also paid between $1,000 - $3,000 for a new car compared to $10,000 - $50,000 for a new car now. I know I paid about 35 - 50 cents per gallon in the early 70s to put gas in a lawn mower for earning spending money by cutting the grass of people in my neighborhood. A brand new car similar to one that cost in excess of $30,000 back then was in the area of $3,000. I bought a scientific calculator in 1976 for nearly $200 to use in college that didn't do as much as one I can buy now for $10 or less. My weeks vary quite dramatically. For example this week I only drove to my client's offices once and did the rest of my work for them via the internet connecting to their servers. Other weeks I'm at their offices every day. More Bill bobbing and weaving...  |
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Post by sonofbarcelonabob on Mar 19, 2005 2:37:54 GMT -5
[quote author=BiK link=board=news&thread=1111155484&start=4#0 date=1111171858]
Passage of the Akaka Bil, The Repulicans helped them pass the Akaka Bill out of Committee, they returned the favor. Quite frankly, they sold out.
Let me add that I am against drilling in ANWR. Last year we went to a discussion at the State Capital where members of one of the Native tribes that would be most affected by the drilling, the Gwich'in, talked about their history, their lifestyle, and why they opposed the drilling. It was quite sad. Most people are really oblivious to the special relationship between Native peoples (not only Hawaiians but all Native peoples) and their land/environment.
Bush is really letting me down.[/quote]
Ah heck, the Gwich'in (does that rhyme with "bitchin'", as in "Bik's new pink Miata is sooooooo bitchin'"?) will get over it....let them open up a casino in the ANWR.
When are you numbnuts gonna realize that the energy problem is not a political decision but an economic one? No corporation in the energy business is gonna do anything differently until there is economic incentive to do so, be it looking at alternative energy sources, upgrading outdated/dilapidated infrastructure, etc.etc.).
If you Democractic dorkwads are so conservation-minded and wanna hug every tree and animal in the forest, then you should realize that the solution lies with nuclear power, which is by far the cleanest of the viable energy sources out there. Oh...but it's NUCLEAR POWER and we don't want that crap in OUR STATE.
Dumbazzes.
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